Need more GA departure / Arrivals

[GAJ52 54]

Today I spent just over an hour sitting at a café at a small UK airfield (Blackbushe EGLK).  The aircraft departure rate was about one aircraft every 5 to 10 mins.

How can I replicate this in MSFS, I have traffic set to AI Offline and AI Traffic Density to 100. Using the same airfield in MSFS I'm getting 4 GA aircraft parked with nothing taking off.

I also use FSLTL, and when setup to use this software I get nothing at EGLK, not one aeroplane.  EGLK is just an example, I get this problem at many GA airfields in the UK.

Glen

[Vel 293]

I think part of the problem with GA is that services like Flightradar24, used to source the aircraft data for FSLTL, use ADS-B to track aircraft. ADS-B is not mandatory for light aircraft flying VFR in the UK and many are not ADS-B equipped. With that in mind, if I look at EGLK at the moment on Flightradar24, I can see only 2 aircraft in the vicinity.

It is annoying but given the tracking data available Im not sure what the answer is.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Vel

[GAJ52 54]

It is annoying that Asobo / Microsoft can't come up with a solution to this problem.  To be fair FSLTL is a livery app and hopefully someday they will take a serious look at GA aircraft

Not being very technical I just assumed I was doing something wrong.

[pmb 5,137]

There are a few addons which aim to provide GA traffic. One of them is Offline GA traffic. As far as I know, all of them substitute files in the /Official folder, thus I never considered even trying them.

Kind regards, Michael

[Sonosusto 666]

44 minutes ago, pmb said:

There are a few addons which aim to provide GA traffic. One of them is Offline GA traffic. As far as I know, all of them substitute files in the /Official folder, thus I never considered even trying them.

Kind regards, Michael

^ This. I use this with AIG and FSLTL (one, or the other) and it places GA traffic with a low density. I usually have it at 10.

[Dave_YVR 968]

 Think about what types of aircraft that you saw coming and going. To see anything reasonably similar, you would need to have those types of AI aircraft models in your sim and FSLTL only has a very small selection of light GA AI at the moment.  

Edited May 25, 2023 by Dave_YVR

[Redge 240]

For the AI to function effectively (without a lot of additional coding) you also need to know the intentions of the inserted traffic. IFR flights need a flight plan and that information is (usually) visible to FlightAware/FR24, giving the sim the ability to provide a plausible routing for the flight. But VFR traffic often has no such data, so the sim doesn't know what to do with it. Is the plane flying enroute somewhere, or is it in the circuit? AFAIK there's no way to work this out currently, so it could be that a combination of offline GA and online IFR is the best we can get until someone figures it out.

[Nemo 1,304]

2 hours ago, pmb said:

There are a few addons which aim to provide GA traffic. One of them is Offline GA traffic. As far as I know, all of them substitute files in the /Official folder, thus I never considered even trying them.

Kind regards, Michael

Offline GA traffic does not change any official files, Michael. It is like  any other add-on sitting in the community folder but it uses Asobos GA a/c. I'm using it here and then. It does not add too many GA ai flights but at least I see some GA take offs and landing at smaller airports which are empty otherwise.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Nemo

[Squatdrop 25]

this one deserves a try !!!

https://fr.flightsim.to/file/51413/gamod-offline-version

 

[pmb 5,137]

2 minutes ago, Nemo said:

Offline GA traffic does not change any official files, Michael. It is like  any other add-on sitting in the community folder but it uses Asobos GA a/c. I'm using it here and then. It does not add too many GA ai flights but at least I see some GA take offs and landing at smaller airports which are empty otherwise.

Thanks, than I must have mixed it up with another tool. I usually use PSXT/RT/AIG, not sure if these would go together with Offline GA. There are GA planes, even UL, on airfields with PSXT, but not that I recall having seen one flying a pattern once. Maybe I didn't look carefully enough.

Kind regards, Michael

[Nemo 1,304]

4 minutes ago, pmb said:

Thanks, than I must have mixed it up with another tool. I usually use PSXT/RT/AIG, not sure if these would go together with Offline GA. There are GA planes, even UL, on airfields with PSXT, but not that I recall having seen one flying a pattern once. Maybe I didn't look carefully enough.

Kind regards, Michael

I'm using it with FSLTL sometimes. No conflicts so far.

[adino 263]

I go to van Nuys airport (KVNY) every time of the day with PSXT+ AIG and I see tons of GA and bizjets of all models arriving and departing non stop.

I turn PSXT off and switch FSLTL and the airport is so quiet that you can hear a needle falling... I remember once having seen a Learjet arriving with FSLTL I don't remember where but that is all have ever seen of GA with FSLTL so far...

[MattNischan 3,778]

5 hours ago, GAJ52 said:

It is annoying that Asobo / Microsoft can't come up with a solution to this problem.

Here, think of it this way.

If I were to randomly pick out an airport on a map and give you a time, anywhere in the world, could you tell me how many GA aircraft should generally arrive and depart from said airport during that hour? If the answer is no, then perhaps this analogy illustrates the difficulty of the problem without any available data sources to go on that they could use.

[adino 263]

44 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

Here, think of it this way.

If I were to randomly pick out an airport on a map and give you a time, anywhere in the world, could you tell me how many GA aircraft should generally arrive and depart from said airport during that hour? If the answer is no, then perhaps this analogy illustrates the difficulty of the problem without any available data sources to go on that they could use.

Valid point...for my taste  ASOBO should concentrate on the AI engine and leave the GA traffic problem/solution to 3th parties as it is currently...

[Alvega 2,119]

3 hours ago, adino said:

I go to van Nuys airport (KVNY) every time of the day with PSXT+ AIG and I see tons of GA and bizjets of all models arriving and departing non stop.

I turn PSXT off and switch FSLTL and the airport is so quiet that you can hear a needle falling... I remember once having seen a Learjet arriving with FSLTL I don't remember where but that is all have ever seen of GA with FSLTL so far...

Probably something with your FSLTL config. I see many GA flights with FSLTL and only have VFR set to 2 (IFR is 80).

Edited May 25, 2023 by Alvega