Gonna Jump to 7800x3D...thoughts?

[Rocky_53 1,579]

After being an Intel man for the past 14 years, I have been very tempted to make the jump to the new Ryzen 7800x3D. My decision, which is yet to be made in concrete, is based on reviews and opinions shared elsewhere and also on YouTube. I thought it would be prudent to ask advice on Avsim before making the big leap. There is a deal on at the moment on Amazon, which effectively includes the MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk motherboard and 32Gb (2x16) 6000Mhz CL36 DDR5 RAM, at a price considerbaly less than having to upgrade my Intel system. I have got a little tired of having to continually throw away components whenever I want to upgrade my Intel chip, so that, combined with the reported performance this chip produces along with the fact that it is far more reasonably priced are my main factors for this decision. But as I say, I would like opinions from anyone who may hav emade the jump to this processor. I currently run an RTX3090, which I understand will be perfectly compatible. Any thoughts appreciated guys...  BTW, it's probably important that I add, I am running a 4k monitor.

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Rockliffe

[dbw1 445]

I am going that way (7800x3d) later this month. Last winter I replaced my 2080-8gig I'd had for 5 years with the amd/radeon 7900xt 20 gig and am very happy with it.

This cpu from the various articles indicates for simming it will be on par with or exceed the 7950x3d which was what i was going for initially. Plus it is less money.  I currently have for a cpu the I9-9900k which I have had for 5 years.

Been 20 years since I have had an amd/radeon computer but times have changed.

The new mb config will be used for the next couple, at least, upgrades to the cpu. Couple it all with 6000 ram and it should be a nice package.

I've always found buying as much horsepower as you can within reason in the long run is less expensive.

[hs118 707]

Definitely look at the motherboard reviews on Utube. Seems like some are better than others about compatibility.

 

[Swe_Richard 1,172]

I perused the motherboard reviews on Youtube before buying. My take away was that there seems to be no 'bad' ones. 

I went with an Asus board with the x670 chipset and it has been working really well. Caveat though is the controversies regarding EXPO profiles and excessive voltages. Me, I've hard-capped them through BIOS and ít never comes close to dangerous levels. EXPO up and running and giving a substantial performance boost with volts never reaching 1.2. 

I wanted a MB with lots of M.2 slots as I've moved away from old type SSDs/HDs completely with the new build. All slots populated with fast M2's. I paired this with the 7950X3D as I am not willing to give up the substantial multi-core advantage that CPU has over the 7800X3d.

Writing this while watching Youtube videos, running OnAir, FS hud and FSLTL (all on the frequency cores while MSFS runs on the cache-cores) while the CPU runs at a nice sub 60 deg C. Couldn't be happier. 

[threexgreen 3,139]

39 minutes ago, Swe_Richard said:

Writing this while watching Youtube videos, running OnAir, FS hud and FSLTL (all on the frequency cores while MSFS runs on the cache-cores) while the CPU runs at a nice sub 60 deg C. Couldn't be happier. 

Did you have to tinker with any core prioritization or did the CPU allocate MSFS and the other addons automatically?

[turbomax 3,285]

9 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

After being an Intel man for the past 14 years, I have been very tempted to make the jump to the new Ryzen 7800x3D.

same here, except that I also upgraded from my 3090 to a 4090, which gives you twice the fps (FrameGeneration) that none of the AMD GPUs have. The x670 motherboards are plenty powerful, the X670E with PCIe 5.0 is useless overkill. The fps increase over my previous i9900K+3090 GPU is phenomenal, about doubled, and that Amazon bundle price looks very attractive. 7950X3D has no performance advantage over 7800x3D for MSFS, no need to tinker with any core prioritization etc. whatsoever. AMD CPU and NVidia GPU is currently the most powerful MSFS combo, as thousands of reviews and youtubes have shown.

"I currently run an RTX3090, which I understand will be perfectly compatible."

true, but only the 4090 will give you twice the fps via FrameGeneration while using even less power than the 3090. in 2D @ 4K I am seeing generally 60-100 fps at very high settings, in VR usually around 60 fps.

Edited June 2, 2023 by turbomax

[turbomax 3,285]

6 hours ago, Swe_Richard said:

Caveat though is the controversies regarding EXPO profiles

according to AMD and Mobo manufacturers, the few melted CPUs that were reported recently were not caused by EXPO DDR5 RAM timings in the BIOS but CPU overvoltage settings. unlike Intel CPUs, overclocking is not recommended/necessary/useful with the latest AMDs. except for EXPO RAM timing, I left everything on default. just make sure the RAMs are on the Mobo's  recommended compatibility list, which should be the case if you buy that Amazon bundle.

[YukonPete 586]

I went with the MSI x670 Pro Wifi and 7950x3d.  My GPU is a 4070ti.  MSFS runs great. Stay away from ASUS boards. Nothing but quality issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY&t=1514s

Edited June 3, 2023 by YukonPete

[Rocky_53 1,579]

10 hours ago, turbomax said:

 I left everything on default. 

But have you used the factory turbo boost? So what speed is the CPU running at?

Edited June 3, 2023 by Rockliffe

[John_Tavendale 453]

The Asus issues have been resolved with new BIOS'.

[turbomax 3,285]

9 hours ago, Rockliffe said:

1) But have you used the factory turbo boost?

2) So what speed is the CPU running at?

1) no

2) variable, between 4.0 - 4.8 GHz

still outperforms any Intel running at 5.8 GHz.

[cowpatz 243]

I'm in a rabbit hole at the moment trying to nail down an upgrade rig. The more I research the more I dither and put off making a choice.
Currently I'm running P3D4.5 but plan to upgrade to P3D5.4 and to give MSFS a go (I have been reluctant to try MSFS as my current rig wouldn't handle it and I'm not sure the "big tin" (that I like to fly) is that good in MSFS yet. Low and slow stuff certainly.

If you wanted to cover both sim camps, would you go with a 7800x3D or a 13900K and why? Graphics solutions seem to be less of a problem.

[wiler 394]

7900x3d here since launch.  Love it , incredible performance TBH. Smokes everything thrown at it. My 3080 is what is holding me back at this stage but will wait till next 5000series arrives and will see if its worth the cost to upgrade or go with a cheaper 4090. 

[G-RFRY 1,711]

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[Ardbeg1977 1]

On 6/2/2023 at 2:35 PM, Rockliffe said:

I currently run an RTX3090, which I understand will be perfectly compatible. Any thoughts appreciated guys...  BTW, it's probably important that I add, I am running a 4k monitor.

 

For anyone building a new PC just for flight sim, now, I think this is the way to go. Your parts choices look fine. I would say the X3D chips do run very hot because of the extra cache on top of the die. So, get the best air cooler or AIO you can afford and get a case with good airflow properties (check out Gamers Nexus for case reviews). My 5800X3D regularly peaks in the low 90's when running the sim. I have a dark Rock Pro 4 cooler fitted currently but I have bought an Artic Liquid Freezer II 360 AIO to replace it. For the Power Supply, I went for a Seasonic Vertex GX 1200, as it has one of the new 12VHPWR cables included as standard.

I think you will be happy with the performance of the 3090 with the new chip and would only need to consider the 4000 series or higher, if you wanted to get into VR and run it to a good level. I bit the bullet and bought a 4090, which will be fitted along with the AIO and PSU in the next week or two. I've had the parts for a few weeks but have been too bombed out from work to get around to doing the upgrade! Best of luck with your build.