49 minutes ago, Alpine Scenery said:

Maybe, but most are going to assume its basically the same game with some bonus features.

The anticipation is going to be nowhere near or even 10% of what it was with FS-2020 release.

You're proving my point here. The team decided that there were enough changes to warrant creating a sequel. If what you say is true about most people thinking it just offers some bonus features, MS would need enough time to make a case for people shelling out more money for the new version. This is why THEY have to build the anticipation and the hype. They cannot achieve that by springing the sim on us last minute. Also, telling a bunch of 3PDs about the sim even with NDAs is a great way to get 2024 leaked before the time they're ready to unveil it. 

 

21 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

There is no incentive for Microsoft to support 2020 going forward, because it undermines the entire reason for 2024. They want people to spend money on a new product.

So the Marketplace will cease to exist once 2024 drops? Now they can make money two places.

3 hours ago, Dermot McClusky said:

I can't count out the idea that this is photogrammetry, but my suspicion is that the scenery we saw is all hand-made as it's all to do with whatever job/mission additions they've put into the sim. 

Obviously I'm rooting against my own guess, though!

They mentioned 2024’s evolved engine will leverage the latest AI / machine learning. Could be guff, could just be for these areas, but could possibly mean they’ve found a way to enhance legacy satellite textures. The alps in the mountain rescue area, and the top of Kilimanjaro also look a lot better.

3 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

The rocks here are interesting. Procedural or maybe just hand placed for the flying course. The grand canyon is too big, lol hard to get comparison pictures.

I‘d say those rocks are hand-placed. They‘re too detailed for photogrammetry. Procedurally placed rocks seems possible as well. That would be something new.

The second picture is interesting. It does look like photogrammetry, esp. behind the aircraft on the left. But then again the surface is almost too smooth and there are no weird tree/bush artifacts that you usually get with PG. In any case, it looks absolutely fantastic. 

The rocks in the rescue scenes look great as well, a lot better than the ones we currently have I‘d say.

1 minute ago, Shack95 said:

I‘d say those rocks are hand-placed. They‘re too detailed for photogrammetry. Procedurally placed rocks seems possible as well. That would be something new.

The second picture is interesting. It does look like photogrammetry, esp. behind the aircraft on the left. But then again the surface is almost too smooth and there are no weird tree/bush artifacts that you usually get with PG. In any case, it looks absolutely fantastic. 

The rocks in the rescue scenes look great as well, a lot better than the ones we currently have I‘d say.

Maybe the nice rocks are due to the new engine with AI.  Can't wait.

sp

There's still a bunch of stuff on the MSFS2020 Roadmap up until December. Just because 2024 is announced doesn't mean stuff isn't still coming for 2020.

Edited June 15, 20232 yr by Tuskin38

I hope the trailers more accurately reflect what we see in-sim than the last time around.

6 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

There's still a bunch of stuff on the MSFS2020 Roadmap up until December. Just because 2024 is announced doesn't mean stuff isn't still coming for 2020.

Or maybe they were keeping up this image knowing full well (what we didn't) that a new game was coming, so that all might change now, none of us can say for sure either way.

There is no doubt in my mind that MS have moved the goalposts with the new sim announcement but having said that I am in no way surprised as they needed to in order to keep the sim financially viable.  I just wished they had been upfront with its customers in the first place and not leave us all with the impression that after shelling out for MS2020 it would be supported for 10 years with regular updates and bug fixes etc and  no additional costs.  Unfortunately the new sim seems headed away from my FS interests as there is little in the trailer of interest but at least it may be a bit more pretty.  I guess we can always hope that P3D6 will eventuate with all the bells an whistles many are hoping for and provide an alternative - a long shot I know - but there is always hope.

Bruce

55 minutes ago, brucewtb said:

 leave us all with the impression that after shelling out for MS2020 it would be supported for 10 years with ... no additional costs.  

Please point me to where they said there would be no additional costs for ten years. Maybe you have a link?

 

16 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I used to live in an extremely flat section of my country. Never once felt the need to reference a vertical obstruction to find my way around. For me, it's always prominent geographic features like rivers, lakes, mountains & hills, along with highways, roads and towns, etc.

As this is a post about MSFS 2024 vs 2020, I don't really want to get sucked into another X-Plane / MSFS debate.

I have and enjoy both X-Plane and MSFS. Neither is perfect, both are eminently usable, even for IRL pilots.

Not everyone lives in a flat country. I live in a very mountainous one. I absolutely agree that no sim is perfect and all of them have pros and cons. But you were the one mentionning one being far more realistic. And til now you couldn’t explain why.

2 hours ago, brucewtb said:

There is no doubt in my mind that MS have moved the goalposts with the new sim announcement but having said that I am in no way surprised as they needed to in order to keep the sim financially viable.  I just wished they had been upfront with its customers in the first place and not leave us all with the impression that after shelling out for MS2020 it would be supported for 10 years with regular updates and bug fixes etc and  no additional costs.  Unfortunately the new sim seems headed away from my FS interests as there is little in the trailer of interest but at least it may be a bit more pretty.  I guess we can always hope that P3D6 will eventuate with all the bells an whistles many are hoping for and provide an alternative - a long shot I know - but there is always hope.

Bruce

I don't believe they ever mentioned there would be no additional costs for MSFS over the next 10 years. It would be crazy to think current MSFS would go on for 10 years without you having to pay for any additional updates. The amount of free updates we've had so far is actually pretty nuts and good if you think about it. 

They never actually expanded onto the 10 years comment but what I expect they meant is that the franchise itself isn't going to disappear anytime soon and they are committed to it. So releasing a new version shows their commitment to the franchise itself. 

Edited June 15, 20232 yr by Zangoose

5 hours ago, brucewtb said:

There is no doubt in my mind that MS have moved the goalposts with the new sim announcement but having said that I am in no way surprised as they needed to in order to keep the sim financially viable. I just wished they had been upfront with its customers in the first place and not leave us all with the impression that after shelling out for MS2020 it would be supported for 10 years with regular updates and bug fixes etc and  no additional costs.

Except they never said that, they only said they are in it to keep the franchise alive and kicking, enhancing/supporting it, etc for 10+ years which they later also clarified to mean a very long time, and not 10 years specifically. If you're implying they could have been clear from the beginning and further clarify if stuff would be free for 10+ years or not, sure they could've done that, but are by no means under any obligation to do so. And the amount of free stuff we *have* gotten in the 3+ years since 2020 released is unprecedented.

Now I don't mean you specifically but I see this supposed "at no cost" promise being thrown around as some sort of baseline fact upon which to denigrate MS/Asobo (and by the usual clowns in other sims forums to do their usual clowning 😆). Rather than sticking to known facts, the complainers (and those who seem to strangely have it in personally for Asobo) can only resort to moving goalposts themselves ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Edited June 15, 20232 yr by lwt1971

Here a comparison of some of the places shown in the trailer with the sim in its current state:

Grand Canyon (exact location for those interested: Lat: 36.5446148224345 / Long: -112.521378104712):

Whatever they did, that's a massive improvement.

 

Verbier, Switzerland:

Good to see that in the trailer the water in the reservoir in the valley on the left is not creeping up the mountain anymore (or not that extremely). I hope that's the result of a fix.

Edited June 15, 20232 yr by Shack95

Dubrovnik, Croatia:

Again, a massive improvement. I wonder if this is photogrammetry plus some hand-crafted buildings. Hard to tell but it seems like it.