Who cares of a proper ground physics or decent live weather, when we could have muscle flex... 

Just now, Jeeeno said:

Who cares of a proper ground physics or decent live weather, when we could have muscle flex... 

I guess everyone has different focuses a what’s important to them but personally I’d far rather have better looking terrain and scenery than ground physics. I think the live weather is ok at the moment but obviously it’s far from perfect. 
 

MS/asobo have shown they’re constantly working on it though so hopefully it will keep improving.

I don’t think it’s an either or thing though? 

9 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Because not everyone is going to switch to 2024 right away.

I suspect that the majority of folks who say "I won't switch right away" are going to do just that as soon as MSFS 2024 hits the stores. 

The second MSFS 2024 hits, MSFS 2020 ist toast. 

8 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

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my only question is why keep v2020 going after v2024 releases. Never heard of that approach before (other than security patches, etc.)

Define 'going' 😉

FS20 is mix of a product and of a networked service. They can't disconnect the MS2020 servers without having in the next New York minute a massive class action against them from all those who bought the older sim and don't have any intention, for whatever reasons, to move to its little brother.

I am very doubtful about an ongoing development   of FS20 after the Fs24 release whatever they say. 

 

 

Edited August 29, 20232 yr by Dominique_K

15 hours ago, MarcG said:

On the contrary my advice would be to keep expectations very low

Yeah I understand your point. But even better don't have any expectation, let's wait and see.  Being pleased by what I hear doesn't mean that I should believe it too 😇.

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

Yeah I understand your point. But even better don't have any expectation, let's wait and see.  Being pleased by what I hear doesn't mean that I should believe it too 😇.

Take my stance with Starfield, aside the very first trailer I've not watched any videos, not seen any screenshots, not read anything on the game AT ALL so I don't even know what my expectations are....and I still parted with £65 for the game up front 🤦‍♂️😃

5 hours ago, Jeeeno said:

Who cares of a proper ground physics or decent live weather, when we could have muscle flex... 

I think people who talk like this are just trying to show off and say to everyone, "I am a real simmer boy!" Who said anything about not caring about those other aspects? There's been 71 pages of it in here and other threads dedicated to them that I've been very active in. Sorry to break it to you but your comment does not make you look cool. I really don't care what is important to you. I noticed something in the trailer (which just so happens to be the topic of the thread) and chose to point it out. You guys actually sound insecure when you do this. Not a good look.

Just now, MarcG said:

Take my stance with Starfield, aside the very first trailer I've not watched any videos, not seen any screenshots, not read anything on the game AT ALL so I don't even know what my expectations are....and I still parted with £65 for the game up front 🤦‍♂️😃

😄 

 Intrigued by Starfield but loving Skyrim I don't see anything in Bethesda's new baby which would remind me of it, contrary to what the blurbs say. You will tell me. Anyway what I really wait for in the Fall is the final (and unexpected) patch of Fallout 4 . I am a man of the past 😅 !

 

What specifically has been described in any interviews or presentations about 2024 with regard to weather, and in particular cloud depiction?  This is always the main area I would like to see addressed bigtime as for me it's the biggest elephant in the room.  I'm excited to see how they manage seasonal change as well but the reality is most of my sim time as I use airliners almost exclusively is spent at altitude where sky visuals and physical effects on planes reign supreme.  In fact if this doesn't change significantly I'll probably just stick w/ 2020 as all the various activities and career focus I'm seeing in trailers really aren't an interest of mine at least currently as I've had "purpose" solved for decades now in P3D w/ FSCaptain and now w/ APL.  I've assumed there is hope for this since there is allegedly serious performance headroom coming in 2024 but sadly I've seen nothing yet suggesting it's high on the priority list.

1 minute ago, Noel said:

What specifically has been described in any interviews or presentations about 2024 with regard to weather, and in particular cloud depiction?

There was a quote from Matt Booty (Head of game studios at MS) who wanted to make it clear that the tornado in the trailer was not canned and occurred "naturally" because of the massive upgrades they made to the weather model. He brought that up as one of the reasons they felt it necessary to release a new paid version. As for cloud depiction, unfortunately, none of the people who interviewed them at the expo asked them anything about it. Looking at the trailer, there does seem to be some improvements to the opacity of the clouds but there's no way to know if live weather was in use or not. We can currently make good looking clouds by adjusting presets so we know the weakness the sim has is how the live weather algorithm chooses to draw clouds that are way too transparent.

27 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

😄

 Intrigued by Starfield but loving Skyrim I don't see anything in Bethesda's new baby which would remind me of it, contrary to what the blurbs say. You will tell me. Anyway what I really wait for in the Fall is the final (and unexpected) patch of Fallout 4 . I am a man of the past 😅 !

 

Ha me too, I'm on the hype train.  I saw the official 2 min trailer the other day out of Gamescon and I was like take my money.  However this is on the basis that Bethesda are reputable and make quality games, I love a good space "game" and my new 7800X3D + 4090 is going to make this game sing like a budgie.  🙂

1 hour ago, Krakin said:

We can currently make good looking clouds by adjusting presets so we know the weakness the sim has is how the live weather algorithm chooses to draw clouds that are way too transparent.

I think there's much more to it than that, though I know what you're saying.  Presets suffer from the poor voxel resolution and I see no way to create the kind of realistic variable and distinct cloud types with the current modeling, live or otherwise.  There seems to already be ample performance to be able to do better at least for PC users w/ the resources and w/ the promised improvements in performance it certainly could happen.  Perhaps we'll be super pleasantly surprised with a new trailer which demonstrates some of this.

4 hours ago, MarcG said:

Take my stance with Starfield, aside the very first trailer I've not watched any videos, not seen any screenshots, not read anything on the game AT ALL so I don't even know what my expectations are....and I still parted with £65 for the game up front 🤦‍♂️😃

I was skeptical until they released that 45 minute long 'Starfield Direct' in June.

  

10 hours ago, g-liner said:

I think we can see from the FS2020 roadmap that the updates etc will stop not long after FS2024 comes out? Certainly WU and SU etc anyway. 

We don't have a release date for 2024 other than it is being released in 2024. The current 2020 roadmap ends in October and will be updated again in that month.

Jorg said in an interview at FSExpo that World Updates will continue in 2020 after 2024 launches, they just won't be as high quality as they will be in 2024 because of 2020 lacking the new tech they're using.

 

 

Edited August 29, 20232 yr by Tuskin38

22 hours ago, filou said:

There is one thing I am sure of. It will be very difficult after these 3 years spent with MSFS 2020 to reproduce the same enthusiasm for MSFS 2024.

 

TBF the latest versions of all the other sims have flopped so far. IF 2024 has a good acceptance for the people using 2020 I would consider it a win. 

i do not expect a lot of people who did not care about MSFS 2020 will join the hobby with FS 2024. 

I think the improvements are targeted to existing casual gamers and enthusiasts alike. Really, a lot of what has been presented so far does fit for the current user base.

I do not expect huge improvements in weather or the flight model area, but still I am surprised about commenters in this forum that are not looking forward to the new release.