45 minutes ago, urthgental said:

I do not expect huge improvements in weather or the flight model area,

Asobo have already said (and shown) that there are.

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

and shown

Besides the tornado, what else has been shown if you will?

22 minutes ago, Noel said:

Besides the tornado, what else has been shown if you will?

The shown part was in regards to the flight model. Well specifically they showed more detailed surfaces at the expo presentation 

Edited August 29, 20232 yr by Tuskin38

3 hours ago, ca_metal said:

TBF the latest versions of all the other sims have flopped so far. IF 2024 has a good acceptance for the people using 2020 I would consider it a win. 

 

"TBF the latest versions of all the other sims have flopped so far"

You are jet lag on your time.It was not very, very, very complicated for MSFS 2020 to do better in some areas than in all the others sims. All the others were already 10 years late. Nevertheless and whatever one thinks of it, MSFS is for me average in many respects and poorly mastered as a whole. Each flight is strewn with imbalances of all kinds. MSFS is also one of the other failed simulations so far since it is already 3 years behind on the progress and repairs.In any case, I applaud the prowess of MSFS, which has achieved commercial success on this basis so messy. 

 

"IF 2024 has a good acceptance for the people using 2020 I would consider it a win."

Without looking any further,it's a perfect reference point for a weak and easily influenced person.

 

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, filou said:

MSFS is for me average in many respects and poorly mastered as a whole

🤣

which one do you suggest is above average and better mastered as a whole?

Guys, don't take the bait lol

15 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Define 'going' 😉

FS20 is mix of a product and of a networked service. They can't disconnect the MS2020 servers without having in the next New York minute a massive class action against them from all those who bought the older sim and don't have any intention, for whatever reasons, to move to its little brother.

I am very doubtful about an ongoing development   of FS20 after the Fs24 release whatever they say. 

 

 

Yes, agreed - I'm referring to their statements regarding continuing to develop content / updates for v2020 after v2024 is released. They even said they would "back port" some v2024 features where feasible.

That's the kind of stuff I haven't really seen anywhere else...

3 hours ago, filou said:

 

"TBF the latest versions of all the other sims have flopped so far"

You are jet lag on your time.It was not very, very, very complicated for MSFS 2020 to do better in some areas than in all the others sims. All the others were already 10 years late. Nevertheless and whatever one thinks of it, MSFS is for me average in many respects and poorly mastered as a whole. Each flight is strewn with imbalances of all kinds. MSFS is also one of the other failed simulations so far since it is already 3 years behind on the progress and repairs.In any case, I applaud the prowess of MSFS, which has achieved commercial success on this basis so messy. 

 

"IF 2024 has a good acceptance for the people using 2020 I would consider it a win."

Without looking any further,it's a perfect reference point for a weak and easily influenced person.

 

 

 

 

 

I think you didn't get my point. Seasoned simmers are pretty much settled on what they have right now. The other people using 2020 will wait and see what 2024 brings to the table and decide if it worths to move on. 
2020 already have excelent numbers. 2020 came in a time FSX was 14 years old already and people were tired of pretty old engines. All that said, 2024 won't get the same hype as you can see already, BUT if most people using 2020 move to 2024 I woudl consider a win for ASOBO.

Having in mind most add-ons will be compatible and I don't think 2024 will bring any regressions to the table, I believe most people will move forward. My point is: What we saw in 2020 isn't repeatable in 2024 because the numbers are already through the roof.

Also, Carreer mode is something will give purpose to hardcore games, and those can go from hardcore gamers to hardcore simmers really fast if they like it.

Edited August 30, 20232 yr by ca_metal

1 hour ago, ca_metal said:

Also, Career mode is something will give purpose to hardcore games, and those can go from hardcore gamers to hardcore simmers really fast if they like it.

I wonder if this is really true. Is there anything at all that would actually bring in 'hardcore gamers' and make them 'hardcore simmers'? I'm not convinced, not in any meaningful numbers anyways. We have a niche hobby. It's not a bad thing, but it is the truth. I don't think anything will ever change that either. People are either interested in the tiny intersection of aviation and computers, or they aren't.

After the release of MSFS, it took all of two days before the mainstream hype died down and streamers went back to playing their regular games for the masses. I don't think "career mode" is going to change that. I am sure there are quite a few copies of the sim sold on XBOX but I'd really like to see the comparison of average hours flown and addon dollars spent by xbox users and pc users.

 

6 hours ago, turbomax said:

🤣

which one do you suggest is above average and better mastered as a whole?

MSFS performance. The rest is a comic.

2 hours ago, kiwikat said:

I wonder if this is really true. Is there anything at all that would actually bring in 'hardcore gamers' and make them 'hardcore simmers'? I'm not convinced, not in any meaningful numbers anyways.

 

I was a hardcore gamer around 2009. Then I just stumbled over a youtube video of A10 Simulator(later dcsworld) and tought it looked cool. Started playing with keyboard and mouse, ended up with all kinds of hardware 14 years later that I never tought I would buy. So a hardcore gamer can become a hardcore simmer:p

Maybe it will not be huge numbers, but I think without MSFS recruiting a few we would soon be an extinct race…

the simple fact is:-

we get what we get,

& we can also actively help with suggestions & Beta testing…

3 hours ago, ca_metal said:

I think you didn't get my point. Seasoned simmers are pretty much settled on what they have right now. The other people using 2020 will wait and see what 2024 brings to the table and decide if it worths to move on. 
2020 already have excelent numbers. 2020 came in a time FSX was 14 years old already and people were tired of pretty old engines. All that said, 2024 won't get the same hype as you can see already, BUT if most people using 2020 move to 2024 I woudl consider a win for ASOBO.

Having in mind most add-ons will be compatible and I don't think 2024 will bring any regressions to the table, I believe most people will move forward. My point is: What we saw in 2020 isn't repeatable in 2024 because the numbers are already through the roof.

Also, Carreer mode is something will give purpose to hardcore games, and those can go from hardcore gamers to hardcore simmers really fast if they like it.

 Make me a video of a two hour flight with an ASOBO plane and show it here.Use real weather if it's available. Enjoy live air traffic. Feel free to take off from a major airport and circle around before. Watch out for workers. Take off with the wind, caress the turbulence. Fly over bridges and roads, admire road traffic. Look at the horizon line.Cross the clouds. Find me the names of some colors you may encounter.  Check temperatures and wind speed. Continue your experience of flying over the snow cover live and do not hesitate to cause frost. Share the moments of your flight with the control tower, he's a nice guy Don't worry about the white dot in the middle of the cockpit it's normal.

I will then debrief with you what you have never seen.

MSFS 2024 has obviously been developed to supersede MSFS 2020,

we can hopefully assume progress will be made in key areas,

time will tell!

meanwhile, 2020 does a mighty fine job as being a useful flight sim for many... 🙂

(even on Xbox consoles)

Will they finally fix the horrible and inconsistent ground physics?

Edited August 30, 20232 yr by flying_carpet
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