Post deleted by OP.  Not accurate. I responded to a post I thought was directed at me, but wasn’t. 

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by btacon

3 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

 

I'd rather say phrases like "Are you confused at the difference?  One has two engines, the other four.  Perhaps that will help." are the definition of childish.

Apart from that saying the WT 787 is overall better than the PMDG 737 is insane and only shows fundamental lack understanding of airplane systems / autopilot. There's not really much more to say than that.

As for the Fenix vs FBW vs FSL - I find the Fenix very enjoyable and immersive, fly-by-wire including, but the FBW reminds me more of the FSL. Now what this means, I don't know, because I'm not an Airbus pilot and therefore will leave this to real Airbus pilots. If Ponymetzger is actually one, I don't know either. You can claim anything on the internet, that's why I stay far away from discussing things like real piloting experience etc.

Sometimes you have to dumb down to children so they understand.

It seems like you did not read what I put regarding the 787. I did not say it was overall better I said the LNAV is a lot better than the PMDG but the flight model characteristics are on Par with FBW.

Not sure how it reminds you of FSLabs but okay like I said it can't do RNAV approaches. 

Easy enough to know when they are not a real pilot. The things they say just gives it away. Go one better ask them some questions and see what response they give. Even then they would most likely use Google. 

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Guess you never heard of the war in the Ukraine?   

I don't think that's even a notable plurality of their devs, let alone a majority. Based on a comment I saw before, it sounds like they have 1 team member in Ukraine.

My point is that unpredictable things happen with projects and with your workforce, and you have to adapt. You clearly did not bother reading the rest of the post.

1 minute ago, mspencer said:

I don't think that's even a notable plurality of their devs, let alone a majority. Based on a comment I saw before, it sounds like they have 1 team member in Ukraine.

My point is that unpredictable things happen with projects and with your workforce, and you have to adapt. You clearly did not bother reading the rest of the post.

They have adapted and recruited more people. I believe Aamir stated the main dev is in Ukraine so things have been a little slow. I believe he also said something about showing them the code and what now. I maybe wrong. Only so much people can do.

There is a few folks in here that need to take their conversation to private message. Use the feature at the top right hand corner of the page. Let’s get this thread back on topic forthwith or else it will surely get locked.

3 minutes ago, mspencer said:

I don't think that's even a notable plurality of their devs, let alone a majority. Based on a comment I saw before, it sounds like they have 1 team member in Ukraine.

My point is that unpredictable things happen with projects and with your workforce, and you have to adapt. You clearly did not bother reading the rest of the post.

I read it, and I also read the many discussions on the Fenix Discord pages as far as what they are working on. Anyway, the Fenix is a current product flying well, and FSLabs for MSFS is vapor ware at this point, and my guess is , it will remain the same in the distant future considering their track record. . 

16 minutes ago, B777ER said:

... Let’s get this thread back on topic forthwith or else it will surely get locked.

We're waaaay beyond that point, IMO... 

16 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I read it, and I also read the many discussions on the Fenix Discord pages as far as what they are working on. Anyway, the Fenix is a current product flying well, and FSLabs for MSFS is vapor ware at this point, and my guess is , it will remain the same in the distant future considering their track record. . 

But FSL never hard announced a product, and they made it clear their focus was on Concorde for P3D. It's not vaporware - they're following their roadmap.

Do I agree with their roadmap? No. P3D is a dead sim now, and Lockheed Martin just got up on the stage in Houston to put a few more bullets into it. 

FSL is a notoriously slow dev as well, but they consistently deliver a top-class product. It's worth waiting for.

38 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

It seems like you did not read what I put regarding the 787. I did not say it was overall better I said the LNAV is a lot better than the PMDG but the flight model characteristics are on Par with FBW.

Not sure how it reminds you of FSLabs but okay like I said it can't do RNAV approaches. 

You were talking about LNAV, that's right, but btacon was claiming that the WT 747 was overall better than the PMDG 737 (which is what Ponymetzger was referring to), and that's what I was responding to.

Ponymetzger was talking about the fly-by-wire being superior on the FBW and I was relating to that, saying that the fly-by-wire reminds me of FSL. The whole FBW overall is, of course, not as complete as the Fenix or the FSL.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Guess you never heard of the war in the Ukraine?   

Believe it or not, there are some people that don’t know that Fenix has members that live in the Ukraine. You tried pulling that war comment with me not to long ago when I comment about them and the delays. We get it, stop using it every time someone has anything to say about Fenix. We feel for them and get it. 
 

Sorry about getting off topic but that was getting old.

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by Wise87

5 minutes ago, Wise87 said:

Believe it or not, there are some people that don’t know that Fenix has members that live in the Ukraine. You tried pulling that war comment with me not to long ago when I comment about them and the delays. We get it, stop using it every time someone has anything to say about Fenix. We feel for them and get it. 
 

Sorry about getting off topic but that was getting old.

Someone asked why the Fenix V2 development was delayed, I just relayed what I have read on their Discord page. Sorry if that got your psyche in an uproar. 

16 minutes ago, mspencer said:

No. P3D is a dead sim now, and Lockheed Martin just got up on the stage in Houston to put a few more bullets into it. 

Well, I kinda agree with you, that P3D is (kinda) a 'dead' sim from an addon developmental standpoint. But since I solely fly tubeliners, I decided to re-install P3D 5.4, as I (must admit) really missed a lot of the things, which are missing from MSFS currently. ActiveSky, weather radar, SODE integration (for instance, double/tripple gates working), ChasePlane (proper camera functionality), Radar Contact etc... Granted, the graphics engine is miles behind MSFS, and ground textures is lower res (which can be seen in the VC of the FSLabs), and when you've played MSFS and seen what it could look like, it's quite a difference, IMO. But for me, (currently) the way I fly mainly, the good (functionality) outweighs bad (graphics).

36 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

You were talking about LNAV, that's right, but btacon was claiming that the WT 747 was overall better than the PMDG 737 (which is what Ponymetzger was referring to), and that's what I was responding to.

Ponymetzger was talking about the fly-by-wire being superior on the FBW and I was relating to that, saying that the fly-by-wire reminds me of FSL. The whole FBW overall is, of course, not as complete as the Fenix or the FSL.

Not superior, but better than the FENIX for the moment.

To prepare our type rating, besides the cbts,OMs etc., they recommended the Xplane for the 32X family and said that the FENIX,Aerosoft and FSLabs would be negative training.

 

But I really don't get all the hate when you say something negative about the FENIX. When you say something negative about PMDG or any other developer, you are getting upvotes to the moon, but if you say something negative about the Fenix, you will get plenty of negative comments. The Fenix is not bad, and it does many things well, but it's not perfect, and it has some problems. Nothing new. I really don't get all the love the Fenix receives. It's a nice-looking aircraft, and it's a good procedure trainer, but the fly by wire is wonky and off, and the flight model has its problems. Thats all. It does not make it a bad Addon for Flight Simulator (a game), but it's also not the best airliner at the moment. Yes, the PMDG has no EFB (stupid discussion; they should focus more on the 777 instead of an EFB), and she is a bit old-school, but she does many things right and is a joy to fly. 
 

 

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by Ponymetzger

1 hour ago, carlanthony24 said:

PMDG I beg to differ because LNAV/VNAV is messed up engine spool up time is wrong amongst other things. Obviously no aircraft is going to be perfect.

VNAV isn't messed up.

3 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

But I really don't get all the hate when you say something negative about the FENIX. When you say something negative about PMDG or any other developer, you are getting upvotes to the moon, but if you say something negative about the Fenix, you will get plenty of negative comments. The Fenix is not bad, and it does many things well, but it's not perfect, and it has some problems. Nothing new. I really don't get all the love the Fenix receives. It's a nice-looking aircraft, and it's a good procedure trainer, but the fly by wire is wonky and off, and the flight model has its problems. Thats all. It does not make it a bad Addon for Flight Simulator (a game), but it's also not the best airliner at the moment. Yes, the PMDG has no EFB (stupid discussion; they should focus more on the 777 instead of an EFB), and she is a bit old-school, but she does many things right and is a joy to fly.

The issue is making strong statements without giving any sort of explanation, coupled with the fact nobody knows you or your expertise. What you've said so far is that the FBW in the Fenix is bad and the flight model has problems and vaguely alluded to being a pilot, but you can't have a conversation this way, because to everyone else it appears like a random comment from a random person on the internet. I'm personally always very interested in hearing from pilots about sim aircraft.