8 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

The FENIX flight model is completely off, and the flybywire feels wrong and completely weird.

I just love how you make such claims, with a certainty, as you've wrote the FWB software for Airbus, yourself.. 🙄

26 minutes ago, btacon said:

Sir, I’m  interested in how man hours of real a320 flight time you have under your belt because by making such a dismissive opinion  concerning the Fenix FM, an opinion most of your ATP peers disagree with as they uniformly call the Fenix a good ship, one would assume that you have some deep insight the rest of us have missed?

Or perhaps you’re nothing more than a troll. Which is it?  Troll, or ATP?

420 and you ?  But I remember you were the guy who told us the WT 787 is as good as the PMDG.

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by Ponymetzger

8 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

420 and you ?  But I remember you was the guy who told us the WT 787 is as good as the PMDG.

Oh a little over 600.  All SEL VFR.  And btw, I never said as good as the PMDG.  I said it was available here and now…a feat PMDG has yet to achieve.

Plus, I spoke of a 747 not a 787. Are you confused at the difference?  One has two engines, the other four.  Perhaps that will help.

-B

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by btacon

43 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

Nope... 

There is plenty of room for the FSLABS. Overall, the FSLabs was the better simulation of the A320. It would be really nice to have them back.

To be honest no one knows what It will be like in MSFS. So you saying "was the better simulation" it was in P3D but it may not be in MSFS. We don't have a decent A321 for MSFS so it will be nice to have for certain.

53 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

First of all, Fenix has a great aircraft, and to date, I think the best Airliner in MSFS.. There is a war going on in their country, which has bound to have an effect on their development of future products. MSFS 2020 will still have it's third yet of operation, next month, and FSLabs so far has produced nothing for MSFS. 

Which country, Bob, the UK? First I'm hearing about that.

When you face long-term hurdles with potentially no solution in sight on a project, you do what's right, and the best by your people, but you start making as many alternate plans as you can to make sure you meet your goals. When I went down with cancer a few years ago, my company found an interim replacement, because there was no real answer as to when I'd be back at work. 

I understand FS development is more of a niche market, but sdirand makes an excellent point. The delay between releases is over a year, I don't think any of us expected them to tear down the entire model and start again, or that IAE engine modeling would take 14+ months with no release date in sight. It's a very nice product and fun to fly, but its most notable features are 3rd party developments (ProSim and the EFB), and as sdirand pointed out, with the initially brisk development pace, the regular previews, the (almost too much) dev engagement - all of us thought they'd be flying along releasing new products. 

FSLabs looked late to the party. Now I'm thinking they might not be. I would happily buy a product from them. They produced the best airplane I've ever had for any sim, and they've been around long enough that I know they're not going anywhere.

16 minutes ago, btacon said:

Oh a little over 600.  All SEL VFR.  And btw, I never said as good as the PMDG.  I said it was available here and now…a feat PMDG has yet to achieve.

Plus, I spoke of a 747 not a 787. Are you confused at the difference?  One has two engines, the other four.  Perhaps that will help.

-B

Reported, what a complete toxic post once again. 
 

600VFR is not 320 btw. 

30 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

It's the PMDG, even without this stupid and not-needed EFB.
The FENIX flight model is completely off, and the flybywire feels wrong and completely weird. The flybywire from FBW is far better, for example. These are things they can't fix.

 

Of course, I did. The PMDG is still the best airliner out there. 

The flight model shock horror is different in MSFS to P3D so can't compare in reality for all we know the FSLabs aircraft/s may feel the same. 

Don't know how you can say is far better, the handling is way worst in the FBW than the Fenix. When it misses/lacks features still. RNAV approach you can not even do but for a freeware mod its decent enough.

PMDG I beg to differ because LNAV/VNAV is messed up engine spool up time is wrong amongst other things. Obviously no aircraft is going to be perfect.

3 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Which country, Bob, the UK? First I'm hearing about that.

 

Guess you never heard of the war in the Ukraine?   

26 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

420 and you ?  But I remember you were the guy who told us the WT 787 is as good as the PMDG.

420 what a troll response.....

Shock horror WT 787 LNAV works better than the PMDG it doesn't turn then have to re correct and re correct again. but flight Model is on par with FBW. WT 787 is still pretty good even the Kuro 787 is decent enough.

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by carlanthony24

11 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

Reported, what a complete toxic post once again. 
 

600VFR is not 320 btw. 

Judging by what you posted. You must be a child. A grown adult would not report a post like the one he said.... 

Just looked through your profile on another thread you started to spread fake information and was trolling so definitely establishes you are not a real pilot.

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by carlanthony24

Good God! This thread sure took a turn for the worse... 😕 

43 minutes ago, Ponymetzger said:

The FENIX flight model is completely off

It hits the pitch attitude, speed, and flap setting combo's with 99+% accuracy. The only thing wrong with the Fenix as far as FM is concerned is the thrust is underpowered and the fuel burn is off, which will be fixed in V2. There's also ASOBO issues with tire friction and ground handling. Those will obviously be addressed in MSFS2024 with the 3d wheel simulation and proper friction modeling.

There's really nothing FSLabs can do to have a better simulation unless they also have their own engine model, or do the physics outside the sim with the aircraft in slew, but that invites its own issues with regards with the in game weather engine.

TL;DR: You're wrong.

 

9 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Judging by what you posted. You must be a child. A grown adult would not report a post like the one he said....

I'd rather say phrases like "Are you confused at the difference?  One has two engines, the other four.  Perhaps that will help." are the definition of childish.

Apart from that saying the WT 787 (or 747 for that matter) is overall better than the PMDG 737 is insane and only shows fundamental lack understanding of airplane systems / autopilot. There's not really much more to say than that.

As for the Fenix vs FBW vs FSL - I find the Fenix very enjoyable and immersive, fly-by-wire including, but the FBW reminds me more of the FSL. Now what this means, I don't know, because I'm not an Airbus pilot and therefore will leave this to real Airbus pilots. If Ponymetzger is actually one, I don't know either. You can claim anything on the internet, that's why I stay far away from discussing things like real piloting experience etc.

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by Fiorentoni

1 hour ago, Ponymetzger said:

The FENIX flight model is completely off, and the flybywire feels wrong and completely weird. The flybywire from FBW is far better, for example. These are things they can't fix.

Setting aside your assertion re: the Fenix FM which WestAir nicely dealt with above, please do enlighten us on how you came to your "these are things they can't fix" conclusion about Fenix's fly-by-wire systems, and FBW's being "far better". Seems like you have deep insights into the development teams of both Fenix and FBW as well as their capabilities, and what they can and cannot fix.. that's pretty cool must say!
 

Edited July 6, 20232 yr by lwt1971

1 minute ago, Fiorentoni said:

 

As for the Fenix vs FBW vs FSL - I find the Fenix very enjoyable and immersive, fly-by-wire including, but the FBW reminds me more of the FSL. Now what this means, I don't know, because I'm not an Airbus pilot and therefore will leave this to real Airbus pilots. If Ponymetzger is actually one, I don't know either. You can claim anything on the internet, that's why I stay far away from discussing things like real piloting experience etc.

There are a couple of real life A 320 airline pilots  that make videos using the Fenix A 320, and they seem to always have very  positive statements regarding  the Fenix. Haven't heard any claims on their videos that the Fenix has problems with it's flight model.