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As mentioned before, while development of our Concorde title was ongoing, our development and innovation efforts have focused in bringing all new versions of our existing product lineup to Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS)
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While we understand and acknowledge the potential of P3Dv6, at this point in time, our resources and attention are devoted to maximizing the features and compatibility of our products with MSFS. Therefore, given the significant amount of work required to bring full compatibility to our products for P3Dv6, we have decided to revisit the possibility of adapting our lineup for P3Dv6 once we have successfully executed our current focus.

These two key sentences make it clear to me that they will only revisit possible P3D v6 adaption *after* their "current focus" ... and their current focus is bringing their existing aircraft (multiple/all, not just concorde) to MSFS first.
 

Why all MSFS trolls in here? Seriously…..

27 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

These two key sentences make it clear to me that they will only revisit possible P3D v6 adaption *after* their "current focus" ... and their current focus is bringing their existing aircraft (multiple/all, not just concorde) to MSFS first.
 

yeah indeed, with FSL timeline, we are talking about year(s) before they start considering V6 update (that is a big if). 

9 minutes ago, djbully said:

Why all MSFS trolls in here? Seriously…..

I didn't realize you were a forum gatekeeper here... I have used P3D extensively in the past, and am genuinely interested in what v6 brings to the table and also about what all the 3rd party devs' current activity are for all sims, especially from the likes of FSL who rarely say anything. Regardless, I don't have to have forum regulars' permission to post here. And it's adorable how you want to cast regular discussion about facts currently at hand, as trolling 🙂

Edited July 4, 20232 yr by lwt1971

By the time FLS ports their products over to msfs P3D v7 will be out

Honestly the news that the Concorde is closer to release for v5 was the part of this statement that struck me the most, really look forward to getting my hands on it finally.

Given the PMDG news and the fact I'm not much of an AIrbus flyer I probably still won't bother with v6 for the time being - however it is heartening to see FSL being an exception in regard to commitment to P3D in the long term, at least facing outwardly. Doesn't gurantee anything mind you but with the Concorde released I'll be at peace in that regard.

Edited July 4, 20232 yr by SimeonWilbury

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As mentioned before, while development of our Concorde title was ongoing, our development and innovation efforts have focused in bringing all new versions of our existing product lineup to Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS)
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While we understand and acknowledge the potential of P3Dv6, at this point in time, our resources and attention are devoted to maximizing the features and compatibility of our products with MSFS. Therefore, given the significant amount of work required to bring full compatibility to our products for P3Dv6, we have decided to revisit the possibility of adapting our lineup for P3Dv6 once we have successfully executed our current focus.

Everybody will read what he wants to read between the lines but I really think, no matter if it's FsLabs or PMDG, the best bet is that someone might be able to come with a trick to make the 5.0 versions works in 6.0. Don't expect anything from both developers.

My personnal reading between the lines is that neither FsLabs or PMDG were 100% honest. My understanding is that they don't really wants to tell now that they will not support P3D in the future, at least 6.0 in it's current state.

Let's read between the lines (my personal opinion):

PMDG: they said they won't start working on updating their products for 6.0 before their full line of products will be available in msfs. We can guess it will include the complete 777 line, the complete 747 line but it might also include the 737 MAX line. Nobody expect to see the first variant of the 777 line before the end of 2023 at the earliest. So when do you think the 777 line, 747 line and 737 MAX will be complete? Maybe not before the end of 2025 at their current pace. Don't forget they also talked about a mystery project. Once done with their actual products, it will be smarter for them to allow their full resources to this mystery project for msfs rather than allowing resources to P3D. And even if this mystery project never see the light, by that time, msfs 2024 will be out and even working on a PMDG 737 2024 edition new line would make more money than working on anything for P3D.

FS Labs: Situation is maybe even worse. They said the same, they will adapt their current line to msfs before working on supporting P3D 6.0. This might include the Concorde, the current A32x CEO line but probably the A32X NEO line. At their current pace of release, when can we expect this to be done? Like PMDG probably not before the end of 2025 (and I'm optimistic!). Don't forget that just like PMDG, they also talked about a secret project. And while they are on it, just like PMDG with the MAX, it will be smarter for them to work on an A321 LR & XLR extension rather than allowing resources to P3D.

Why? Because right now, we all know that P3D is already a niche market. But also don't forget that a lot of current P3D users claim that they keep P3D installed because they like to fly their FSLabs A32x and PMDG 777 & 747 in P3D, because those aircrafts are not available in msfs yet. (it's my case!)  it's a right assumption to think that at the end of 2025 when all those aircrafts will be fully available in msfs, a big chunk of this current niche market would have left P3D.

So probably at the end of 2025 when both PMDG and Fslabs will be ready to start working on update for P3D 6.0, either P3D 7.0 will be out (and in that case we might have a way different scenario) or either the remaining P3D market will be so slim that it will make even less sense to spend resources on supporting P3D 6.0

I think both PMDG and FsLabs already know that but don't want to fully tell it today.

Edited July 4, 20232 yr by sdirand

4 minutes ago, sdirand said:

Everybody will read what he wants to read between the lines but I really think, no matter if it's FsLabs or PMDG, the best bet is that someone might be able to come with a trick to make the 5.0 versions works in 6.0. Don't expect anything from both developers.

My personnal reading between the lines is that neither FsLabs or PMDG were 100% honest. My understanding is that they don't really wants to tell now that they will not support P3D in the future, at least 6.0 in it's current state.

Let's read between the lines (my personal opinion):

PMDG: they said they won't start working on updating their products for 6.0 before their full line of products will be available in msfs. We can guess it will include the complete 777 line, the complete 747 line but it might also include the 737 MAX line. Nobody expect to see the first variant of the 777 line before the end of 2023 at the earliest. So when do you think the 777 line, 747 line and 737 MAX will be complete? Maybe not before the end of 2025 at their current pace. Don't forget they also talked about a mystery project. Once done, it will be smarter for them to allow their full resources to this mystery project for msfs rather to allows resources to P3D. And even if this mystery project never see the light, by that time, msfs 2024 will be out and even working on a PMDG 737 2024 edition new line would make more money than working on anything for P3D.

FS Labs: Situation is maybe even worse. They said the same, they will adapt their current line to msfs before working on supporting P3D 6.0. This might include the Concorde, the current A32x CEO line but probably the A32X NEO line. At their current pace of release, when can we expect this to be done? Like PMDG probably not before the end of 2025 (and I'm optimistic!). Don't forget that just like PMDG, they also talked about a secret project. And while they are on it, just like PMDG with the MAX, it will be smarter for them to work on an A321 LR & XLR extension rather than allowing resources to P3D.

Why? Because right now, we all know that P3D is already a niche market. But also don't forget that a lot of current P3D users claim that they keep P3D installed because they like to fly their FSLabs A32x and PMDG 777 & 747 in P3D, because those aircrafts are not available in msfs yet. it's a right assumption to think that at the end of 2025 when all those aircrafts will be fully available in msfs, a big chunk of this current niche market would have left P3D.

So probably at the end of 2025 when both PMDG and Fslabs will be ready to start working on update for P3D 6.0, either P3D 7.0 will be out (and in that case we might have a way different scenario) or either the remaining P3D market will be so slim that it will make even less sense to spend resources on supporting P3D 6.0

I think both PMDG and FsLabs already know that but don't want to fully tell it today.

Good analysis. 

2 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Good analysis. 

All speculation.

12 hours ago, SAS443 said:

It's quite clear that FSL has v6 in their long-term platform strategy, they just don't have the manpower at this very moment.

As clear as the same New Year's resolution made every year.  

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."  -Friedrich Nietzsche

 

cant wait to get my concorde. us old school simmers will really appreciate it for sure

 

3 hours ago, spinoza said:

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."  -Friedrich Nietzsche

Spinoza quoting Nietzsche. I think I've stumbled into the Philosophy Forum.