Fenix A320 (Fifi V2) Current Status Query

[Aamir 2,606]

Nothing hugely new to add, work continues and we continue to move modules of the airplane forward into "V2" status. Today we deployed the new displays, FMv2, and FBWv2 into Beta. All are substantial rewrites, so we expect a fair amount of time in testing for them all, and we continue to have other V2 modules we are yet to move into beta, but the list slowly gets smaller. All in, forward movement - and our new resources are starting to click into place too, so some nice progression on the workrate. 

[NovemberUniform 140]

That's good to hear. Very good. 

[Maxis 1,702]

5 hours ago, BrammyH said:

What's the trick?

Once you have disconnected the AP on short final  the aircraft is usually in  land mode: Ensure that you establish sufficient elevator authority by pulling gently pulling back on the side stick  so you know where you have the ability to flare instead of being slammed on the runway.

If you wait till your over the runway threshold and you haven't established the feel for where your going to gain elevator authority on the sidestick  your going to be in a guessing game and the aircraft as it stands is more prone to "firmly" plant you onto the runway or the other extreme where you pull back too much and you bounce or float down the runway.

[Fiorentoni 3,315]

41 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Once you have disconnected the AP on short final  the aircraft is usually in  land mode: Ensure that you establish sufficient elevator authority by pulling gently pulling back on the side stick  so you know where you have the ability to flare instead of being slammed on the runway.

If you wait till your over the runway threshold and you haven't established the feel for where your going to gain elevator authority on the sidestick  your going to be in a guessing game and the aircraft as it stands is more prone to "firmly" plant you onto the runway or the other extreme where you pull back too much and you bounce or float down the runway.

That's excellent advice. Elevator authority is really lagging on the Fenix, FBW isn't *that* delayed.

[mspencer 349]

3 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

That's excellent advice. Elevator authority is really lagging on the Fenix, FBW isn't *that* delayed.

The two airplanes do something different. The ceo introduces elevator trim down, while the neo does not.

[Aamir 2,606]

50 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

That's excellent advice. Elevator authority is really lagging on the Fenix, FBW isn't *that* delayed.

Reports are that it is better in the recently deployed beta, we are attending to this actively. 

[Fiorentoni 3,315]

1 hour ago, mspencer said:

The two airplanes do something different. The ceo introduces elevator trim down, while the neo does not.

I did not mean the FBW aircraft, but the fly-by-wire systems.

[mspencer 349]

46 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I did not mean the FBW aircraft, but the fly-by-wire systems.

Oh, my mistake.

[cavaricooper 2,490]

Much appreciated Aamir… very much looking forward to Fif’s new patent pumps and pearl choker!

Ta- C

[ErichB 3,542]

On 7/12/2023 at 7:57 AM, fluffyflops said:

Problem with fenix is its a free update.  He's not going to make much money from it, only new sale

I don't see the problem.

[Farlis 1,966]

Emi aka 737NG Driver weighed on the flight charactersitics of the Fenix during one of his life streams a while ago and he surely didn't mince words.

He said something down the line that they are basically "dogword not allowed" and the Fenix is impossible to manually fly exactly like the real thing. Systems in the Fenix are top notch but in his opinion the flight model is severely lacking. And he said that while he is doing his type-rating for the A330.

He was then asked how real the PMDG 737 flies compared  to the real thing, and he said it was reasonably close to reality with some quirks here and there, that go back to the core sim limitations.

But flying it by the numbers is possible. The Fenix, according to him, not so much. 

I'm not sure how much the A330 and A320 can be compared in flight characteristics, but since both are driven by the same Fly-By-Wire computers, the way they react to imputs should be fairly similar.

Edited July 13 by Farlis

[BrammyH 334]

Emi's comments, naturally, were a hot topic on the Fenix discord. Aamir said something along the lines of "well, there is a reason we are rewriting the flight model." I have a lot of criticisms and annoyance with the Fenix, but I don't think it's fair to grade the flight model against a "real" sim, and one that is a different class than the A320. At the least, the A330 is a heavy. The comments to that video have a lot of "more streamers need to say this about the Fenix." It is also important to note that Emi has flown the Fenix since release. I don't think he said "this is bad word". His comments whee a little harsh I thought, off the cuff, and maybe he got burned in the real sim after getting used to the Fenix.

When it comes to grading the A320 against the real plane, the person I trust the most is V1 simulations. He is a real Airbus captain with a lot of seat time. He is also critical of the Fenix flight model, but most of his comments are around the auto thrust being squirrely on approach. When V1 used the Fenix to prep for his recurrant tests, it was exactly the systems angle he used. V1 has not said, "this thing handles nothing like the A320s I fly." He did say, though, that he felt the FBW Neo had a more accurate flight model than the Fenix.

The Fenix clearly has issues. It's well-known to have issues with crosswinds and gusty landings.

[carlanthony24 309]

Agree was a hot topic but calling a product **** then not backing up what he said. Aamir said they open to feedback and constructive criticism but when he does not give them feedback and would rather just say this and that over stream is no good for anyone. I stick by what I have said before don’t go slandering a product all over social media just for clicks, offer to help….. Comparing an A330 to an A320 may be same FBW system but will still handle a bit different.

V1 Simulations and others have said flight model needs work but still prefer the Fenix. I would rather listen to someone who has a lot of time on the Airbus than someone who has hardly any and seems to think they know everything.

Notice a pattern if he is not given a free product he starts to talk bad about products. Of course when asked how the PMDG 737 he is always biased. Notice the TFDI video he  did even when they commented on it he starts coming out with all this legal stuff which seems to be a new thing. 

Edited July 13 by carlanthony24

[Farlis 1,966]

Funny how you get all defensive and do accuse people of "slandering for clicks". Do you happen to have first hand flying experiene with either the Airbus-Family or B737?

 

 

[BrammyH 334]

1 minute ago, carlanthony24 said:

don’t go slandering a product all over social media just for clicks

I agree, however, in this case I don't think it was to drive clicks. I reqound a few minutes past the "this is bad word" comment, and he was asked if he would ever fly X-Plane. His response was the rant. If he posted a video "The Fenix handles like excrement" then I would fully agree. It was an off-the-cuff remark that gained a lot of traction.