Better Beyond ATC Videos with Vectors.

[pete_auau 1,058]

39 minutes ago, Alvega said:

The guy in the video says you need to remove all the dashes, etc, but you don't. You don't need to change anything unless you are not satisfied with one of the default values. Just to make it clear so folks don't think they have to delete all those dashes to make the programs work. You can just open it and it's ready to go.

thought  he  said  only  remove  the  dashes  that you  want  to  change

[martinboehme 379]

Looking at the vectored approach, I do have to say that the vectors ATC gives are pretty strange. Approaching 16R at KSEA, ATC gives vectors onto a downwind with a heading of 340. So far, so good. However, ATC then turns the aircraft to a heading of 320, pointing it roughly towards AGANE, which is about 16 miles out on the final to 16R. ATC then clears the aircraft direct to AGANE and clears it for the approach. This requires the pilot to do a course reversal at AGANE, but none is published for this approach. Instead, I would have expected to see a vector for a base leg, then a localizer intercept. Bonus points for correct US PTAC phraseology. So it does look as if there's still some work to be done before release. Nevertheless, very excited for this.

[Bobsk8 11,892]

6 hours ago, martinboehme said:

Looking at the vectored approach, I do have to say that the vectors ATC gives are pretty strange. Approaching 16R at KSEA, ATC gives vectors onto a downwind with a heading of 340. So far, so good. However, ATC then turns the aircraft to a heading of 320, pointing it roughly towards AGANE, which is about 16 miles out on the final to 16R. ATC then clears the aircraft direct to AGANE and clears it for the approach. This requires the pilot to do a course reversal at AGANE, but none is published for this approach. Instead, I would have expected to see a vector for a base leg, then a localizer intercept. Bonus points for correct US PTAC phraseology. So it does look as if there's still some work to be done before release. Nevertheless, very excited for this.

The developer has stated numerous times that it is still a work in progress. 

[martinboehme 379]

Oh, I get that. It's just that after the first video I saw, my impression was, wow, this is already so good, what is there even left for them to do? So I thought this latest video gave some interesting insights into what's not done yet. 

[Agrajag 283]

All of this looks great, but the BIG elephant in the room is how FS2024 will change the ballgame. Perhaps, for example, FS2024 will allow for something like Beyond ATC and/or FSLTL to control the traffic, which would be a game-changer. 

If Beyond can get the procedures nailed down entirely, this will be an evolutionary step and a totally welcome one. I've been on VATSIM forever, but like many here, it has proven that it can (as designed) never provide the experience we all hope for it. The reality is much more likely to be a lot of time flying on UNICOM, which is hardly enjoyable or the desired hope. Many people can get around that by only flying during events (which are often a chaotic mess) or during specific times at specific places. ALL of us have had the issue of setting up a flight from say, KLAX to KSEA where there's coverage at both only to have KLAX go offline just as we're about to connect to them and then, upon getting airborne, watching in disappointment as KSEA goes offline as well. Nothing is more disappointing that than. 

SOMEDAY, my hope is that there can be a hybrid system (and I have hope there will be). Imagine flying on a network and there's just 100% coverage that is realistic and works and then, along the way, there's human ATC that shows up now and again. The human controller, instead of passing you to UNICOM, sees that you have an AI system and just passes you off the right next frequency. You sign off and then pick up at the next frequency with the AI until you land or catch another human controller online later in your flight. THAT would be incredible, and this feels like a possible first step. 

[Drumcode 1,842]

During the handoff from ground to the tower, should it be "Contact Tower on..." or "Monitor tower..."?

[mspencer 349]

4 hours ago, Drumcode said:

During the handoff from ground to the tower, should it be "Contact Tower on..." or "Monitor tower..."?

Short answer is it depends.

[Bobsk8 11,892]

32 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Short answer is it depends.

I always heard, "contact tower."

[martinboehme 379]

4 hours ago, Drumcode said:

During the handoff from ground to the tower, should it be "Contact Tower on..." or "Monitor tower..."?

You may hear one or the other, often depending on the facility and the local procedures, and they mean different things.

"Contact tower" means switch to the tower frequency and call them. "Monitor tower" means switch to the tower frequency and wait for them to call you (presumably because ground has already told them you're up on their frequency).

[ryanbatc 12,040]

Or at smaller airports you just change to tower on your own when you're approaching the runway hold short.

[Fiorentoni 3,335]

15 hours ago, Drumcode said:

During the handoff from ground to the tower, should it be "Contact Tower on..." or "Monitor tower..."?

Usually it's "contact tower", but during busy hours it's often "monitor tower", so the tower doesn't have to deal with responding to aircraft just checking in while they're taxiing to the runway.

[pete_auau 1,058]

 

[icewater5 181]

On 7/28/2023 at 11:48 AM, Agrajag said:

I've been on VATSIM forever, but like many here, it has proven that it can (as designed) never provide the experience we all hope for it. The reality is much more likely to be a lot of time flying on UNICOM, which is hardly enjoyable or the desired hope. Many people can get around that by only flying during events (which are often a chaotic mess) or during specific times at specific places. ALL of us have had the issue of setting up a flight from say, KLAX to KSEA where there's coverage at both only to have KLAX go offline just as we're about to connect to them and then, upon getting airborne, watching in disappointment as KSEA goes offline as well. Nothing is more disappointing that than. 

 

Just on Vatsim, i have no user experience of it but was impressed by a few internet videos.

About three of them. There was full coverage albeit mostly at departure and arrival. They presumably were organized events. Edinburgh, Madrid, and a Croatia airport i recall. Maybe its coincidental and such events are hopefully in the US also. Just checked and they were streamed live.

Edited July 29 by icewater5

[WestAir 2,434]

1 hour ago, pete_auau said:

 

His singing, rambling, and strained grunts made me mute the video before realizing I was only watching for the voices. What an unpleasant streamer for such an amazing product showcase.

[Bobsk8 11,892]

39 minutes ago, WestAir said:

His singing, rambling, and strained grunts made me mute the video before realizing I was only watching for the voices. What an unpleasant streamer for such an amazing product showcase.

I avoid Overkill videos. at all costs.