4 hours ago, mspencer said:

That's an Asobo issue at the moment. Listen to or read the interview with the developer, it has been addressed several times in several different venues.

So the program works right?  Its not an Asobo issue only, if it impacts Beyond ATC

6 hours ago, mspencer said:

A Microsoft contract would be far more lucrative than selling a 3rd party ATC application.

Not factual

4 hours ago, mspencer said:

That's an Asobo issue at the moment. Listen to or read the interview with the developer, it has been addressed several times in several different venues.

Funny thing is that the integrated ATC does not make this error.

9 minutes ago, Tierborn said:

Funny thing is that the integrated ATC does not make this error.

BeyondATC doesn't control the AI.

The default ATC system has an issue, and has since launch, where it will sometimes give the wrong runway for wind. BeyondATC doesn't do that for the user, but it also doesn't control the AI, so you can get a different runway than what the AI is told to use.

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8 hours ago, snglecoil said:

and “Sid” rather than “Side”.

That one is interesting, it says it correct sometimes, but sometimes it doesn't.

7 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

BeyondATC doesn't control the AI.

The default ATC system has an issue, and has since launch, where it will sometimes give the wrong runway for wind. BeyondATC doesn't do that, but it also doesn't control the AI, so you can get a different runway from the AI.

I think this happens while being on the map planning or loading a flightplan and the weather for some reason hasn't loaded from the server yet. I can see it when I load a Simbrief plan (which has the correct RW for the current winds) and MSFS changes the runways. I have not tested yet to wait a little and then load the plan again to see if the runways stay unchanged.

3 minutes ago, Gerwil said:

I think this happens while being on the map planning or loading a flightplan and the weather for some reason hasn't loaded from the server yet. I can see it when I load a Simbrief plan (which has the correct RW for the current winds) and MSFS changes the runways. I have not tested yet to wait a little and then load the plan again to see if the runways stay unchanged.

Yeah, if you select a departure runway on the world map ATC will give you (and I believe the AI) only that runway, but if you don't select one it just uses whatever it thinks is correct.

 

so  he stated the previous video showed using standard voice model and this one using premium one, from which can I suppose there will be different subscription prices or version like  standard service (version) and premium one(version)? 

This thing has massive potential, but it needs more work and don’t get me wrong, I’m super excited about it. The voices are 100% too clean and need more radioing. I’m not sure I’m buying into the voice tones, there’s something off for me in diction. 
 

@Ray Proudfoot As I highly respect your opinion in this area, given you’ve been part of the best ATC add on back in the day. What do you think? 

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1 hour ago, Drumcode said:

100% too clean and need more radioing. I’m not sure I’m buying into the voice tones, there’s something off for me

I agree. Oddly I found the not premium voices sounded better. If they increase the speech rate by 25%, increase distortion, and get rid of the “clear of runway” phrase, it’ll be a huge step in the right direction. The thing that stands out immediately is the phraseology is kinda blanketed and not geo-specific. In the US, we don’t have “Zero One Left” — it’s just “One Left.” Also rarely (if ever) do we ever say that we’ve vacated a runway. ATC usually jumps in and says something like “Vacate taxiway alpha, contact ground point 6,” or something like that. 

I think it's sounding good, but agree with speed rate being a tad slow, and the "good day" thing should be replaced with a variety of "later", "see ya", "take care", "have a good one", et cetera.  I think, compared to all other ATC add-ons I've heard, this is the best so far.  It's dynamic and rather realistic.  Maybe add a little "Where are you going?" or "What are you doing?", lol.  That might be hard to implement, but the corrective action remarks would be funny.  It seems they're really trying to make it perform dynamically.  I like it!  😃

I know the SLC dev is not very appreciated because of his lacks in communication, but just imagine in a few months, we will be able to control all the boarding process, make PA annoucements, manage the ATC, pushback, and even check-lists, all of that by voice like IRL, no buttons, with intelligent and non-robotic voices with regional accents replying. 

All these addons put together will provide full immersion and a game changing experience.

8 hours ago, Alvega said:

https://youtu.be/OPCGzjy7qC0?t=4684

 

Thanks. I knew there would be some sort of catch. I really hope that we will be able to customize voices like we can in Pilot2ATC. I would love to be able to use some of my Ivona voices with BeyondATC.

9 hours ago, WestAir said:

FSHud controls the traffic.

B-ATC *will* control the traffic, but not version 1. The dev plans to see if MSFS 2024 will come out with native API to allow him to control the traffic; if it does not, then he will invest resources into controlling AI. His reasoning is that he'd rather spend a year working on core features than something that Asobo might fix natively next year. In either case, version 2 will have AI control.

 

9 hours ago, Alvega said:

Beyond ATC gives clearance to the user based on the real ATIS, while MSFS gives clearance to the AI aircraft based on it's bugged ATIS, which many times is the opposite runway. It's been like this since they introduced METAR weather. It happens with all other ATC addons except FSHud, which injects it's own traffic. It seems you have been living in another planet really.

 

5 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

That's an issue with the sim, not the ATC program.

No.

I understand B-ATC does not control AI traffic and why they don't want to put resources into that at the moment.

But that is no excuse for giving takeoff clearance for two aircraft on the same runway in opposite directions at the same time.

This is such a basic fail of ATC that I don't get that nobody else seems to worry about it. It's like PMDG showing off an aircraft with all bells and whistles performing a complex RNAV approach with a full autoland and then crash on touchdown because a landing gear is not (yet?) modelled.

The user aircraft should just not get takeoff clearance when there are AI aircraft ready for departure at the opposite end of the runway.

Other ATC addons do handle that well, even without controlling AI traffic, PF3 for example.

 

6 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

BeyondATC doesn't control the AI.

The default ATC system has an issue, and has since launch, where it will sometimes give the wrong runway for wind. BeyondATC doesn't do that for the user, but it also doesn't control the AI, so you can get a different runway than what the AI is told to use.

Getting a different runway than AI traffic is one thing. It can be considered acceptable - as long as ATC takes care of a proper separation.

But two aircraft cleared for takeoff on opposite runways at the same time is something else. It is not acceptable.

I have been using PF3 for years and currently use FSHud. Obviously FSHud has no such issues because it controls AI traffic. But also with PF3 I never experienced such an issue. PF3 takes into account the runway in use by AI traffic and assigns that runway to the user as well. If the user insists on using the opposite runway PF3 allows that but takes care of proper separation. PF3 won't give takeoff clearance when there is AI traffic ready for departure on the opposite runway.

So not controlling AI traffic is no excuse for not taking AI traffic into account at all. Other ATC addons do better in this regard.

 

Edited July 25, 20232 yr by RALF9636