Different Logitech USB Throttle Quadrants?

[SergeyPe 85]

3 minutes ago, ark said:

Would you use the Nyogel on both sides of the lever module, or just one side?

The grooves are located on both sides, so both should be greased.

[ark 1,249]

1 minute ago, SergeyPe said:

The grooves are located on both sides, so both should be greased.

And just to make sure I understand, the Nyogel will increase the friction a bit, and therefore the force needed to move the levers, but the movement will still be smooth allowing small changes to be easily made?

Thx,

Al

[SergeyPe 85]

1 minute ago, ark said:

And just to make sure I understand, the Nyogel will increase the friction a bit, and therefore the force needed to move the levers, but the movement will still be smooth allowing small changes to be easily made?

Well, I wouldn't call it a friction. as you'll just need a bit more force to move the lever, but the movement will be much more smooth due to an extremely high viscosity of Nyogel. So the small changes will be even easier to make, as you'll have a better controlled lever resistance.

[Kalnon 142]

Well I call it friction.  It does add smoothness but it also adds "weight" to the levers if that makes sense, or as @SergeyPe put it, "you'll need a bit more force to move the levers", and the movement will still be very smooth. The weight and smoothness will make them feel so more realistic.  The levers won't feel so light or cheap feeling and you will easily be able to make very small and very fine adjustments.  I'm going to try it on mine tonight, now if I can only remember where I put that dang bottle of Nyogel...

Edit: Was just reading the previous posts by @SergeyPe showing how to do this process on these particular levers so thank you Sergey for the very helpful information.

Edited August 8 by Kalnon

[ark 1,249]

40 minutes ago, Kalnon said:

I'm going to try it on mine tonight, now if I can only remember where I put that dang bottle of Nyogel...

Please let me know how it all goes and what you think of the results. Think I'll order a 25g jar of the Nygel -- I read a little goes a long way. Hopefully that will be enough for 6 levers.

Al

Edited August 8 by ark

[Kalnon 142]

2 hours ago, ark said:

Please let me know how it all goes and what you think of the results. Think I'll order a 25g jar of the Nygel -- I read a little goes a long way. Hopefully that will be enough for 6 levers.

Al

Will do, if I can find the friggen bottle, still haven't found where the heck I put it the last time I used it lol.

A little does go a long way, you really don't need to add a whole lot.  You will be able to tell if you used enough by the feel of the levers after your finished.  I remember it took me two or three tries to get just the right amount for my HOTAS throttle.  If you end up using too much, you can just use a cloth and wipe some off, if not enough, just add a little more.

I think Sergey already mentioned this but before you apply the Nyogel, make sure to remove any old grease that is already on it first.  A cloth dampened with some isopropyl alcohol works very well.  If you don't happen to have any isopropyl just use a dry cloth and clean it off the best you can.

[C2615 298]

I have applied damping grease for my Saitek quadrants, I don't got 767A but I bought something with similar property on paper and it works great both on my TFPR rudder and Airbus TCA TQ. for Saitek quadrant I just splash some on the side of lever well without tear it apart and the result is good enough for me.

I don't use Saitek TQ for main throttle anymore, and after years the potentiometer is starting to jerking around. I might retire it soon after I got the add-on for AirbusTCA so I got the speedbrake lever that I mainly use Saitek TQ for.

The last Saitek TQ I have tried to replace it's pot with one found on XBOX joystick assembly, but it changed the "reverser" position a notch up so I then have to dig a hole there and I have used that for one more year before I switched to the current one. Which also didn't last long before I move to TCA airbus TQ and make it an auxiliary lever box. Would I recommended Saitek/Logitech TQ to anyone? NO!

[Kalnon 142]

1 hour ago, C2615 said:

I have applied damping grease for my Saitek quadrants, I don't got 767A but I bought something with similar property on paper and it works great both on my TFPR rudder and Airbus TCA TQ. for Saitek quadrant I just splash some on the side of lever well without tear it apart and the result is good enough for me.

I don't use Saitek TQ for main throttle anymore, and after years the potentiometer is starting to jerking around. I might retire it soon after I got the add-on for AirbusTCA so I got the speedbrake lever that I mainly use Saitek TQ for.

The last Saitek TQ I have tried to replace it's pot with one found on XBOX joystick assembly, but it changed the "reverser" position a notch up so I then have to dig a hole there and I have used that for one more year before I switched to the current one. Which also didn't last long before I move to TCA airbus TQ and make it an auxiliary lever box. Would I recommended Saitek/Logitech TQ to anyone? NO!

I disagree, the Logitech TQ's are perfect for those on a budget.  If you take in consideration the price of a Logitech TQ and think about all the features it offers and the realism it adds, you are still getting a very good deal for the price.  Even if I have to replace one every several years, at the cost of only $50 US a piece it's still way, way cheaper to replace one or two or three, than buying a single very high end TQ that costs several hundreds of dollars, even if it does last forever.  In the end I will still end up saving a lot of money.

[orchestra_nl 817]

On 8/5/2023 at 12:14 AM, Ray Proudfoot said:

The Fulcrum has six levers all equally spaced. Moving the inner four was easy. Now look at the TQ6 and the spacing between 1/2 and 3/4. Not easy to manipulate.

Possibly. It’s been a long time since I handled one. The website should say. The lack of buttons is a pain. I suggested to Chris he modelled his on the Logitech and he did with the obvious difference being the angled positioning plus a tension knob. Hall-Effect sensors too of course.

It really is the perfect quadrant and I just hope he can survive and produce them.

I hope he does too. My Honeycomb Bravo, which I purchased while waiting for the Fulcrum TQ is just out of warranty and starting to break down. While Honeycomb might not be as cheap as the Logitech units, it is on the same cheap end of the market and because of bad design or quality control they seem to last only a few years.
The TQ6 is good quality but really not suitable when one wants to fly jet aircraft or props with more than 2 engines. The Fulcrum TQ would have been perfect, especially with the trim wheel and Jet levers options.

[Ray Proudfoot 8,523]

@orchestra_nl, from the first time I saw the Honeycomb I knew it wasn’t for me. Agreed about the Virtual Fly too. I pleaded with the designers at the 2018 Lelystad show to make a conventional 6 lever quadrant but they weren’t interested.

I’m hoping Chris can get through these difficult times because he has a winner. It just needs some financial backing and he’ll survive and prosper.

[orchestra_nl 817]

2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

@orchestra_nl, from the first time I saw the Honeycomb I knew it wasn’t for me. Agreed about the Virtual Fly too. I pleaded with the designers at the 2018 Lelystad show to make a conventional 6 lever quadrant but they weren’t interested.

I’m hoping Chris can get through these difficult times because he has a winner. It just needs some financial backing and he’ll survive and prosper.

I hope he does too. I think his is basically a one-man firm and that's tough these days. Hopefully he can get past this difficult phase.
Agree that his TQ (and yoke too) is a winner. Now that I was forced to look at some alternatives to my failing TQ I find there really aren't any!

Lots of hardware is made like disposable goods. That is not only a waste of my money but more importantly a waste of material and energy. I'd rather pay twice or more for something that lasts a lifetime with the added benefit that it feels like actual hardware instead of plastic that creaks and sighs while used.

Edited August 9 by orchestra_nl

[Kalnon 142]

I never tried the Honeycomb Bravo but I do love my Honeycomb Alpha flight yoke.  It's right in my price range, It feels far more realistic than a cheap Logitech or CH yoke and has 180 degrees rotation (roll), plenty of switches, buttons and a hat, everything I needed and wanted in a yoke.  I honestly have no complaints with it except that I wish it had force feedback but then it would probably cost much more.  I've had no issues with quality so far, I've had mine for a couple years now and it still works perfectly.

Switching from using what I had before to using the Alpha for aircraft with yokes is night and day.  It may not be extremely high end but I'm very happy with it and glad I purchased it.  It's really cranked up the level of realism and immersion big time for me.