4 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Competition is good

 

For the consumer. Not for the business that may lose money. Businesses almost always prefer a monopoly.

 

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by abrams_tank

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

For the consumer. 

 

So doses that matter or what, Not?

FSL could take the cake if they came with a 'full featured' 330 first.  A good 330 is sorely needed right now (any full featured wide body for that matter). I don't consider the AS 300 to be a contender.  As it looks now, it may barley be considered a light product, and with the freeware already out there they could easily lose out on the light market also. 

As far as PMDG's 777, it really seems like they have too much on their plate right now to be looking at this year for their release.  Hope I'm wrong there.  They've got a lot of catching up to do in their own house right now with their existing products (new navdata set, cabins, the marketplace/Xbox, and the like).

Anyways, a bit off topic I know.

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by Jeff Nielsen

7 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

So doses that matter or what, Not?

My comment was from the point of view of FSLabs, meaning it was from the point of view of a business, when I said it was "wasting their time and money" for them. I have no idea why you thought "wasting their time and money" in my comment was referring to consumers.

Read my comment again:

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If FSLabs were making an A321 for MSFS, they were probably wasting their time and money

I clearly said "their." "Their" refers to FSLabs. 

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by abrams_tank

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"it'd be much easier to make up some technical developer jargon-filled excuse, but we've always made a point of putting honesty ahead of PR,"

Nice summary of how Fenix does business.

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by Ricardo41

"it'd be much easier to make up some technical developer jargon-filled excuse, but we've always made a point of putting honesty ahead of PR,"

Clearly a side message to the PMDG EFB "explanations" we hear since a year 😄

Fenix have risen to number one aircraft developer. And that is coming from someone who prefers Boeing.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

My comment was from the point of view of FSLabs

Abrams, I think he knew what you meant. It sounds like he was (rudely) suggesting that FSLabs entering the market can only be a positive for consumers because if it's of high enough quality, Fenix will always have to stay ahead. He's saying, I believe, that competition brings higher fidelity products to the market.

12 hours ago, Muds said:

will we be able to purchase the 321 standalone? i do not own the 320, and not rly interested by it or 319. i hope so

Doubt it. It sounds like - since they're calling it an expansion - that you need the A320.

That's just my take, anyway. 

£39.99 for an A319 and A321 including upcoming Sharklets! Wow!! Thanks a lot, Fenix! I'm impressed and pleasantly surprised. 

Makes you wonder about FSLabs pricing strategy... everything is sold in purchasable chunks - and quite large (expensive) chunks that is.

A319-X:                 $59.99
A320-X:               $149.99
A321-X:                 $59.99
A320SL+A321SL: $89.99

Combined:          $359.96

Really pleasantly surprised to see, that Fenix aren't going down that road. 

Thanks, Fenix and @Aamir

We have no ideas how good the FSLabs A32X will be.

But even if it's better the the Fenix 2.0, how much better does it need to be to justify a new buy when you already have the Fenix?

For sure, FsLabs will need to have another price politic compared to what they did with P3D, because, it will be extremmelly difficult to justify a $150 price tag for the A320 package and $60 extra for each A319 and A321 extension like they did with P3D. And I'm not even talking about the Sharklets extension!

We'll see how good this Fenix 2.0 will be but the only thing that could have make me switching from Fenix 1.0 to FsLabs would have been the fact that there was no A319 and A321 on the Fenix side. Now that we will have a Fenix A319 & A321, and even better, for a very fair price, Fslabs will really need something never seen before and for a fair price to get me as a custumer.

 

7 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Stay tuned Competition is ramping up.

Waiting patiently. But here's the thing. I like many others returned to flight sims after decades away, I have heard only good things about FSL, But and here's a  BIG But. I Know what i will get from Fenix, both in cost and quality, I know nothing about FSL, Yes they seem to have been well respected where the Buses are concerned. But as far as the customer like me see's is nothing, no info as to whether they are actively working on a aircraft, no info on what aircraft, etc,  etc, No info on cost etc, etc, etc.

You only need to look at the demise of Aerosoft , and their self inflicted slide down the popularity charts to see you cannot go on past experiance where some Devs are concerned. If FSL can deliver one of the buses at a similar price point to Fenix, and at least match the depth of simulation, then maybe FSL could gain a few customers.

Time will tell, but for the consumer competition is good... 

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by Car147

I don't have the Fenix yet (I am not normally a deep systems guy), but after V2 is released I will be going all in with them.
That whole range for £90 offers superb value for money, and it is just too good to miss.  It is amazing news and I bet Aamir was itching to tell us what he had been cooking up.

I am glad they have worked on performance as well.  A lot of developers just improve the systems and internal model to the degree where performance just gets worse and worse over time.

My £50 for my initial V2 release, and the £40 for the expansion is all lined up and ready to go! 
I hope they catch the last few stragglers sitting on the fence about the Fenix (like me) to make it worth their while for all the effort they have put in.
I have nearly bought it a number of times, but obviously this will now tip me over the edge.

I thought from day one release of the A320 that their expansion plans would have to include the A32x range - it would be sill not to.  I think a lot of us thought it would be a natural progression.

I understand the A318 is not mentioned yet, but that is the most different model in the range, especially visually (has a completely different wing for a start). 
But you never know, if they put that expansion out at a later date for say £20, that would be another instant buy for me - the baby Airbus is quite fun to fly!

Anyway, its all great news for us simmers.  Very inspiring and uplifting, and as I did from the start, I wish Fenix every success, although I don't think we will have too worry too much about that the way they are going.

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by bobcat999

At these prices I wish for Fenix they make a lot of $$$ - just because they deliver quality and on customer-friendy-conditions. I am sure they will keep working on the aircraft. I wouldn't have a problem paying for future updates, as long as the price tag is fair so everyone get a win-win. Only that will keep the dev in the game. PMDG can learn form them.

edit: The only thing I am missing right now is a A321Neo. There are really interessting real flights over the pond with this aircraft that I would like to fly.

Edited August 5, 20232 yr by 737_800

I don't want to be repetitive but I felt the need to thank Fenix for the work he has already done, for what he is doing and for the way of communicating without hiding behind verbose no-sense. 

@Aamir

I look forward to the preview videos of the next few days 😀