August 18, 20232 yr If we don`t need Pilots anymore in MSFS i give up Flightsimming, and that`s for shure.. cheers 😉 08.2024 new PC is online : ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI Mainboard, AMD Ryzen™ 9 7950X3D Prozessor, G.Skill DIMM 64 GB DDR5-6000 (2x 32 GB) Dual-Kit, MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X E 24G OC Grafikkarte, 2x WD Black SN850X NVMe SSD 4 TB - Drive C+D, WD Gold Enterprise Class 12 TB for storage HDD, Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 1000W PC - Power supply, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO CPU Aircooler with 7 Heatpipes, Design Meshify 2 White TG Clear Tint Tower-Case, 3x 4K monitors 2x32 Samsung 1x27 LG 3840x2160, Windows11 Prof. 23H2 - now Windows11 Prof. 25H2 Flightsimulator Hardware: Honeycomb Throttle Bravo, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, Logitech Flight Joke System, XBox Controller, some Thrustmaster stuff, Winwing CDU Panels.
August 18, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, fluffyflops said: From an ops point of view.. No standby /airport reserves needed No hotels required No wake up calls required No crew buses needed No going fatigue at weekends No going sick at weekends No crew rest/bunks needed No crew food needed No FTL table /max fdp/ discretion / min rest No Sims needed lpc/opc/lofts No tre/tri's needed No groundschool or annual line checks. No unions No gendecs No roster swaps or bidding No staff needed in crewing / rostering / training delivery / pilot managers / crew dispatch / hotac The list is endless. It would save airlines millions and millions to get rid of drivers. And then they automate ops. And then dispatch. MX. And one day we wake up and every company has one employee: The CEO. But it doesn't matter how much he's paid, because 99.9% of people are unemployed, and his money has lost meaning, because the economy doesn't run on Linux. I believe this is an issue we will have to tackle in our lifetime. There's nothing a human can do that a machine eventually cannot. Take-offs are optional, landings are mandatory.The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire. To make a small fortune in aviation you must start with a large fortune.There's nothing less important than the runway behind you and the altitude above you. It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground.
August 18, 20232 yr I once saw an interview with an airline pilot. He was asked if he felt a heavy responsibility for the passengers his flights carried. He said that didn't concern him at all, in fact he never thought about it. His one and only concern was not killing himself. That's the best recommendation for human pilots you can get I think.
August 18, 20232 yr Its an interesting subject. I'm torn between embracing technology (if there is a good safety reason to do so), and being a dyed in the wool Luddite! Is there a good safety reason to do this? In a very broad view I would say, yes. Technological improvement in aircraft and aerospace systems (if we leave the MAX debacle aside for one moment), have without doubt decreased fatal accidents making flying safer and safer for the most part. Where accidents do happen, it has often been attributed to human error somewhere along the safety chain, And of course events like MH370, German Wings (and I think there as one in China recently too) would never happen in an autonomous world. I'm not saying autonomously controlled flights would prevent all accidents but I think it would reduce the number of fatal accidents overall. But that's a broad view. Putting on my Luddite hat, humans do make mistakes but we are also smarter than AI. We have the ability to apply nuance to complex situations where a program written for a specific situation can't deal with the grey unpredictable outcomes of the real situation. I feel Miracle on the Hudson or even the Gimli glider event were non -fatal accidents that might have involved significant fatalities had AI been in charge! This is because both required 'the right stuff', to ditch or land the aircraft successfully and AI would simply not have been able to fly the airplane outside the parameters it had been programmed for. For example, I can't imagine them ever programming AI to excessively sideslip a large airliner on short finals to wash off speed. Finally, would AI have avoided the Lion and Ethiopian B737 MAX accidents? Well, since it would require a human to predict the unknown and program the AI accordingly, I suspect not. In contrast, a number of Southwest pilots who experienced the same issue did get their aircraft back on the ground again despite not being aware that the aircrafts software was menacingly close to killing them. In the end, there will be deaths with autonomously operated aircraft. I don't think that can ever be avoided. For the airlines and National certifiers they will simply balance the number of deaths against the economics and so long as fatalities aren't worse after autonomy has been put in place, they will just coldly spin the stats at each accident presser. No. No, Mav, this is not a good idea. Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower! Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-10700 CPU @2.90Ghz, 32GB RAM, NVIDEA GeForce RTX 3060, 12GB VRAM, Samsung QN70A 4k 65inch TV with VRR 120Hz Free Sync (G-Sync Compatible). Boeing Thrustmaster TCA Yoke, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, Turtle Beach Velocity One Rudder Pedals.
August 18, 20232 yr Commercial Member This thread brought this news to my mind. Ryanair boss aims to axe 'unnecessary' co-pilot. Ryanair chief Michael O'Leary will seek permission from aviation authorities to have just one pilot on shorter flights. https://spectrum.ieee.org/ryanair-boss-i-want-only-one-pilot-in-the-cockpit
August 18, 20232 yr Edited August 18, 20232 yr by HiFlyer We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
August 18, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, fluffyflops said: From an ops point of view.. No standby /airport reserves needed No hotels required No wake up calls required No crew buses needed No going fatigue at weekends No going sick at weekends No crew rest/bunks needed No crew food needed No FTL table /max fdp/ discretion / min rest No Sims needed lpc/opc/lofts No tre/tri's needed No groundschool or annual line checks. No unions No gendecs No roster swaps or bidding No staff needed in crewing / rostering / training delivery / pilot managers / crew dispatch / hotac The list is endless. It would save airlines millions and millions to get rid of drivers. The final statement IS true, but weigh it against the average cost of a fatal accident... Which is Billions, with a B. For one accident, by the time the lawyers are done. Andrew Crowley
August 18, 20232 yr 9 hours ago, fluffyflops said: From an ops point of view.. No standby /airport reserves needed No hotels required No wake up calls required No crew buses needed No going fatigue at weekends No going sick at weekends No crew rest/bunks needed No crew food needed No FTL table /max fdp/ discretion / min rest No Sims needed lpc/opc/lofts No tre/tri's needed No groundschool or annual line checks. No unions No gendecs No roster swaps or bidding No staff needed in crewing / rostering / training delivery / pilot managers / crew dispatch / hotac The list is endless. It would save airlines millions and millions to get rid of drivers. Sure but is it safer? Or even safe enough? Your profile has photos of the 787 Perhaps you were lucky enough to operate this aircraft when it first went into service? The public didn’t hear about half the issues we pilots had to deal with and the amount of circulars coming out that pilots have to deal with still is considerable. There’s no way I’d trust any state of the art fully automated aircraft for the foreseeable future anyway. Not because I’d be worried about my job but because I’ve seen how glitchy automation is and how pilots tend to end up finding out what’s wrong with these new types and discover these issues the programmers missed. That’s before we look at all the components now failing due to similar cost saving spreadsheet design thinking. Boeing have had their fingers burned with the 787 and with the max due to pushing cost saving over safety. Hopefully the industry has learned some lessons from this and isn’t just looking at what’s the cheapest way to make and train for and operate an aircraft. Edited August 18, 20232 yr by g-liner
August 18, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Stearmandriver said: The final statement IS true, but weigh it against the average cost of a fatal accident... Which is Billions, with a B. For one accident, by the time the lawyers are done. So the final statement might not be true? It would only save millions and millions if it led to less crashes and if less people didn’t want to fly due to worries about safety. Thankfully it’s a long way away yet. The development times of new aircraft types and the limitations with this technology plus the public perception of it mean we won’t see fully automated passenger aircraft for decades.
August 18, 20232 yr As said before, it’ll only be inevitable if we allow it. Which honestly, it seems to me like the majority of people these days are too lazy to care about anything or at least do anything other than complain. Just sit back and let others dictate how our jobs go, our lives work, etc. while the CEO’s get richer and unemployment stays up. How many thing will everyone let be taken from them just because it’s “inconvenient” to do something? Where do we draw the line? There is a place for AI, but a cockpit is not that place. AI is suppose to HELP us, not replace us. / CPU: Intel i7-9700K @4.9 / RAM: 32GB G.Skill 3200 / GPU: RTX 4080 16GB / Freight Pilot
August 18, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, g-liner said: That’s before we look at all the components now failing due to similar cost saving spreadsheet design thinking. What components are failing exactly?
August 18, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Hatch76 said: There is a place for AI, but a cockpit is not that place. AI is suppose to HELP us, not replace us. I agree. Ai is not the answer. Automated systems designed for pilotless flying is though. The only reason this is a debate is becaue aircraft manuafactures have to design aircraft systems for pilots. If pilots were out of the equasion right from the beginning of aircraft design and manufacturing, not only would it be safer, ( over 90% of fatal accidents are pilot error) it would far cheaper for airlines to operate and consequently for us to travel.
August 18, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, Garys said: What components are failing exactly? Im not naming them on a public forum but if you operate or work on a 787 you’ll be familiar with them.
August 18, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, g-liner said: Im not naming them on a public forum but if you operate or work on a 787 you’ll be familiar with them. Raising components failures on a public forum but not going into any details has a little bit of unnecessary fear mongering behind it, especially considering the millions of miles flown across the globe since lauch. Edited August 18, 20232 yr by Garys
August 18, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Garys said: Raising components failures on a public forum but not going into any details has a little bit of unnessary fear mongering behind it, especially considering the millions of miles flown across the globe since lauch. No need to be afraid! The pilots and engineers have found (and will continue to find) them mitigated and fixed them. Thats why we’re better and cheaper than automation and thinking where pilots are viewed as a potential cost saving on a spreadsheet. Edited August 18, 20232 yr by g-liner
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