Didn't see this interview listed...

https://www.flyingmag.com/a-better-virtual-flight-deck/

Found this particularly interesting:

FM: Are there any aircraft on your bucket list in X-Plane? If so, what are they?

AM: My bucket list airplane is the T-38. I have not released that in X-Plane yet for contractual reasons, but I [have] flown it in [the software] for many hours, and it is a great airplane in the simulator as well.

The MilViz T-38A & C are great addons. Here's hoping Austin can figure out how to get his version released for the rest of us!

Edited August 21, 20232 yr by UrgentSiesta

Knowing what I know about the rise of desktop simulator in the USA military over the past 3 years, it seems reasonable speculation that Xplane was in the competition for the Air Force's T-38C model. If not mistaken, Milviz got this contract.

Edited August 21, 20232 yr by hs118

6 hours ago, hs118 said:

Knowing what I know about the rise of desktop simulator in the USA military over the past 3 years, it seems reasonable speculation that Xplane was in the competition for the Air Force's T-38C model. If not mistaken, Milviz got this contract.

Correct. I was lucky enough to buy the MV T-38C before it was "mysteriously" taken off the market for sale to the general public.

It's a great add-on, and MV have said they're trying to bring it to MSFS (and have shown it running in-sim some time ago).

In any case, though it uses an external flight model and so doesn't have the "on-rails" feeling so common in P3D/FSX, I wonder how much better it might be in XP.

Hopefully we can find out sometime before X-Plane v13 😉

32 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Correct. I was lucky enough to buy the MV T-38C before it was "mysteriously" taken off the market for sale to the general public.

It's a great add-on, and MV have said they're trying to bring it to MSFS (and have shown it running in-sim some time ago).

In any case, though it uses an external flight model and so doesn't have the "on-rails" feeling so common in P3D/FSX, I wonder how much better it might be in XP.

Hopefully we can find out sometime before X-Plane v13 😉

I bought the T-38C as well before it was pulled from public sale. It is an amazing work.

10 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

Wasnt there mention of them having laptops with xplane on it ???

Indeed there was.  Obviously, no one has proof of this.  So at this point, it's just an accusation.  Austin was just relaying something that was said to him, by a long time client.

Asobo have never confirmed or denied.

T-38 is one of my preferred fighter jet trainers.

Still remember when the first batch arrived to the Portuguese Air Force in a C-5 Galaxy which landed at LPAR 🙂

There was at least one excellent T-38 for FSX, which I believe is also available for P3D and free for older versions of that platform.

This all being said, guys, and as far as I am concerned, there's no point in comparing MFS to XP... This is my MFS week, so, sorry but MFS is way better than XP12.... Next week I plan to be on P3Dv5 again, and then I'll get to holidays so no-sim land for 2 weeks.... All sims will be word not allowed during that time, perfectly useless... 

 

Edited August 22, 20232 yr by jcomm

4 hours ago, GoranM said:

You obviously haven’t seen the MSFS SDK.

For the uninitiated.

How much better and more realistic the MSFS flight model was going to be than Xplane had pride of place in the msfs sdk documentation. 

Since deleted I believe.

3 hours ago, GoranM said:

Indeed there was.  Obviously, no one has proof of this.  So at this point, it's just an accusation.  Austin was just relaying something that was said to him, by a long time client.

Asobo have never confirmed or denied.

Hmm, not sure about "long term client", although that could be additional detail.

Austin has a copy of the email up on his blog.

https://austinmeyer.com/ok-this-is-just-plain-funny/

19 hours ago, hs118 said:

Knowing what I know about the rise of desktop simulator in the USA military over the past 3 years, it seems reasonable speculation that Xplane was in the competition for the Air Force's T-38C model. If not mistaken, Milviz got this contract.

agreed.

5 hours ago, turbomax said:

grow up. He said in that interview:

"the glorified scenery simulator ..."

There are a few of those floating around.

My favourite was download simulator.

There are many classics like that in their early steam reviews, which I believe were where most originated from.

X-plane wasnt immune to such memeing, they just didnt age quite as well.

Nothing wrong with some friendly corporate rivalry. Generally gets us good stuff, rather than lowest bidder wins.

 

Edited August 22, 20232 yr by mSparks

7 hours ago, jcomm said:

There was at least one excellent T-38 for FSX, which I believe is also available for P3D and free for older versions of that platform.

 

The MilViz T-38A is just a few years old and is available FOR FREE on their website (along with most of their other P3D addons): https://blackbirdsims.com/flight/freebies.php Has an external flight model, PBR, a beautiful 3D model, failures and the whole nine yards.

4 hours ago, mSparks said:

For the uninitiated.

How much better and more realistic the MSFS flight model was going to be than Xplane had pride of place in the msfs sdk documentation. 

Since deleted I believe.

Interesting because even after all this time, I have yet to find an MSFS add-on that flies as well as its counterpart in X-Plane (believe me, I've tried MANY...).

CFD-Lite was a big step in the right direction, but its implementation is, in contrast to XPs BET, entirely up to the 3rd party dev - and so all over the place in terms of depth/fidelity. But even the good ones aren't up to par, IME.

The only one that equals/surpasses XP is A2A Sims Comanche. And, well, we know that A2A runs their FM & system code almost exclusively external to MSFS, so it's fair to say that one doesn't count.

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

in contrast to XPs BET

yeah,

this one crops up every few months. 

their first dev interview more or less instantly flipped me from pretty excited for it/little grumpy I may need a windows machine to "abandon all hope ye who enter here".

It was clear none of their developers in that interview even knew what BET was, they were asked about it directly.

Their SDK critique of xplane confirmed it beyond doubt. I screenshotted the diagram they included in the SDK for posterity, last time I checked google you can still find searching for the text included

But it was no longer in the current version of their SDK.

In all fairness they have done a fairly decent job of turning it around, CFD stuff was absolutely the right direction to go, Jorg et al seemed generally honest in later streams about how surprised they were at how hard flight sim is. Who knew...

At the same time Austin is Austin, Ive never seen him pull any punches about stuff he doesnt like, his own or that by other people.

He also seems to walk that fine line between genius and insanity.

Xplane is a gargantuan achievement, imho he has every right to be very cocky about what it can do and where it is going in the future.

(And if we feel like being childish, well, they started it)

 

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

The MilViz T-38A is just a few years old and is available FOR FREE on their website (along with most of their other P3D addons): https://blackbirdsims.com/flight/freebies.php Has an external flight model, PBR, a beautiful 3D model, failures and the whole nine yards.

Oh man, that lineup brings back memories, if mostly conversations with the developers on FSDev while they were working on some of those. IIRC the T-38 or BE-55 had pseudo-volumetric lights in FSX which were using an insane amount of smoke and mirrors and were hard to get right. Good times though. I wonder what Bill Leaming is doing nowadays...

 

(This "old man moment" was brought to you by "MakeMDL and XML took my youth, hair and will to live".)

I also believe that nothing in xplane is copyright, all open source, so Asobo can copy all they like, wonder what would happen if xplane tried to copy something from them

11 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

I also believe that nothing in xplane is copyright, all open source

If it was open source, the source code and source file for each and every art asset used in XP could be found online. Which is not the case. Laminar is comparatively lax when it comes to permission to use art assets in freeware projects, but I'm sure they won't be anything but happy if anything ends up in a commercial product. And I'm pretty sure Asobo handles things at minimum the same way, if not even more strictly (with Microsoft as publisher).

13 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

I also believe that nothing in xplane is copyright, all open source, so Asobo can copy all they like, wonder what would happen if xplane tried to copy something from them

No, not at all... They have some opensource code for their tools such as WorldEditor and the toolset used to build the native scenery as well as some libraries to use to develop plugins, but the sim itself is closed source

15 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

I also believe that nothing in xplane is copyright, all open source, so Asobo can copy all they like, wonder what would happen if xplane tried to copy something from them

haven't seen more nonsense even in the x-plane forum for a long time.