On 10/25/2023 at 11:46 PM, garlicbread11 said:

Wouldn’t it be great if the 777 dropped with the EFB on Monday…..

That would at least explain why it took them one and a half year.

Edited October 27, 20232 yr by Fiorentoni

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

That would at least explain why it took them one and a half year.

It's already been explained why it's taken them so long:

1. Communication between aeroplane and tablet was not possible without: a) a complex custom-made method to do so due to PMDG's programming language choice, or b), Asobo providing the necessary communication module. Work on 'a' was scrapped after 'b' was provided in SU13. (See OP in this thread).
2. "The whole notion that we worked 18 months on the EFB is, of course, incorrect. Due to other projects, some commercial and some professional, we could not assign the manpower to this project as would be most prudent." — Mathijs https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/210018-upcoming-efb?p=267698#post267698

That's it.

1 hour ago, F737MAX said:

It's already been explained why it's taken them so long:

1. Communication between aeroplane and tablet was not possible without: a) a complex custom-made method to do so due to PMDG's programming language choice, or b), Asobo providing the necessary communication module. Work on 'a' was scrapped after 'b' was provided in SU13. (See OP in this thread).
2. "The whole notion that we worked 18 months on the EFB is, of course, incorrect. Due to other projects, some commercial and some professional, we could not assign the manpower to this project as would be most prudent." — Mathijs https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/210018-upcoming-efb?p=267698#post267698

That's it.

This has been explained about 1,023 times on different threads and some just can't get a grip on the facts. 😲

6 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

This has been explained about 1,023 times on different threads and some just can't get a grip on the facts. 😲

Yet other add-ins have been created from scratch EFBs and when buying an add on no one cares about the underlying implementaiton.

3 hours ago, F737MAX said:

It's already been explained why it's taken them so long:

1. Communication between aeroplane and tablet was not possible without: a) a complex custom-made method to do so due to PMDG's programming language choice, or b), Asobo providing the necessary communication module. Work on 'a' was scrapped after 'b' was provided in SU13. (See OP in this thread).
2. "The whole notion that we worked 18 months on the EFB is, of course, incorrect. Due to other projects, some commercial and some professional, we could not assign the manpower to this project as would be most prudent." — Mathijs https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/210018-upcoming-efb?p=267698#post267698

That's it.

Since when is "We delayed the completion of the product you paid for, because we rather did other projects that earned us more money (and you already paid...)" an acceptable explanation for a company?

(I mean technically you're not saying it's acceptable, you're just giving information, so no offense to you personally)
 

3 hours ago, F737MAX said:

It's already been explained why it's taken them so long:

1. Communication between aeroplane and tablet was not possible without: a) a complex custom-made method to do so due to PMDG's programming language choice, or b), Asobo providing the necessary communication module. Work on 'a' was scrapped after 'b' was provided in SU13. (See OP in this thread).
2. "The whole notion that we worked 18 months on the EFB is, of course, incorrect. Due to other projects, some commercial and some professional, we could not assign the manpower to this project as would be most prudent." — Mathijs https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/210018-upcoming-efb?p=267698#post267698

That's it.

At this point I take what they say, and a few other developers say with a "grain of salt." I'm over it.

Edit: they already have our money.

Edited October 27, 20232 yr by JBDB-MD80

British Av Geek will be streaming the tablet today. 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWtCDHhdwo

20 hours ago, level7 said:

Yet other add-ins have been created from scratch EFBs and when buying an add on no one cares about the underlying implementaiton.

I've always found this take to be quite word not allowed. To make a big deal of the EFB and go on about where is it and my other plane has one and whenever the developer explains what the problem is and why it's different for them to just be like 'no one cares'.

Edited October 28, 20232 yr by threegreen
Apparently ign.orant is too bad a word?

Does anyone else think EFBs at least in the way we have them in MSFS right now are useless and actually would have rather PMDG had put resources towards the 777? I find the outrage in the community about it so bizarre.

16 minutes ago, dolbinau said:

Does anyone else think EFBs at least in the way we have them in MSFS right now are useless and actually would have rather PMDG had put resources towards the 777? I find the outrage in the community about it so bizarre.

some do.  Most don't.  That appears to be the read on the community.  

 

19 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

Since when is "We delayed the completion of the product you paid for, because we rather did other projects that earned us more money (and you already paid...)" an acceptable explanation for a company?

They've clearly said the 737 will come without a tablet and it's going to take some time. You also knew they are concurrently working on several other projects and always had the option to wait until the EFB was out. No one was forced to buy it in an EFB-less state.

It's unfortunate that it's taken so much longer, but it's absurd to try and fault a developer for not stopping or slowing their other projects against the clearly communicated plan because you bought a product. The way I understand Kok's statement is not that they deliberately deprived the EFB project of human resources but that overcoming the unanticipated technical hardship they faced would have required more manpower that wasn't available because they still have other commitments to fulfill.

1 hour ago, dolbinau said:

Does anyone else think EFBs at least in the way we have them in MSFS right now are useless

In what way may I ask, are current offerings useless? 
 

1 hour ago, dolbinau said:

PMDG had put resources towards the 777

They already have a separate team working on the 777, this is an unrelated matter. Not to mention Mathijs already explained the EFB was on the back burner for this past year due to other priorities.

I'm always fascinated that some people keep thinking organisations work at one singular thing at a time. What use does an avionics developer have in making an EFB? Or a texture/modeller in the UI of an EFB? 

2 hours ago, dolbinau said:

Does anyone else think EFBs at least in the way we have them in MSFS right now are useless

I agree with you on the first part of your post.

Over the past 15 years I've completed well over 2000 flights with the PMDG 737 and 747 aircraft and in not a single one of them I thought "oh word not allowed, I could make good use of an EFB right now".

I got charts on my second screen, from the FMC I get correct vr and v2 speeds and I can access all aircraft options from there aswell and current METARs do I get from vPilot by just typing .wx ICAO.

The single thing I'll use the EFB for is for v1 speeds. Not much.

Hence I don't really understand the hype about the PMDG EFB.

4 minutes ago, Konterhalbe said:

I agree with you on the first part of your post.

Over the past 15 years I've completed well over 2000 flights with the PMDG 737 and 747 aircraft and in not a single one of them I thought "oh word not allowed, I could make good use of an EFB right now".

I got charts on my second screen, from the FMC I get correct vr and v2 speeds and I can access all aircraft options from there aswell and current METARs do I get from vPilot by just typing .wx ICAO.

The single thing I'll use the EFB for is for v1 speeds. Not much.

Hence I don't really understand the hype about the PMDG EFB.

I have used Avliasoft EFB for many years now both in P3D and MSFS. Gives me everything I need with no subscriptions. I seriously doubt if I will even use the PMDG EFB.