10 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Just an observation from watching Vatsim CTP the nose slams down like crazy on touchdown for everyone, why is that? Nose heavy?

I do not have this problem, dont shut the AP off while you land i do it some time later at rollout, like this it seems to work for me..

cheers 😉

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by pmplayer

I'm wondering about the FBW system in the 787 and whether there is any feedback on the yoke from the flight surfaces. Is it like an Airbus where there is no tactile feeling whatsoever?

Thanks,

Robert

What’s with the wing flex parked at the gate ??🥴

 

thanks 

mike 

43 minutes ago, HUSSAR said:

I'm wondering about the FBW system in the 787 and whether there is any feedback on the yoke from the flight surfaces. Is it like an Airbus where there is no tactile feeling whatsoever?

Thanks,

Robert

The yokes are mechanically liked so capt and fo control columns move together like a ‘“normal” Boeing.

The control columns and rudders have backdrive actuators which provide feel and feedback from the flight control electronics.

It’s all artificial of course with the computers deciding what the feel should be.

The pitch trim on the 787 is slightly different in that it trims for a set speed rather than pitch,when you press the trim switch you’re actually changing this trim reference speed up or down. The theory is if you were to let go of everything the aircraft would settle at its in trim speed. In reality I just trim like any other aircraft.  I believe Boeing have gone back to a normal pitch trim system with the 777X .

A small amount of yaw and rudder feedback is introduced on the ground in the event of an engine failure on take off to help with pilot awareness, however once climbing out the FBW handles the engine out yaw and you could take your feet completely off the rudders if you really wanted to, the FBW would keep it straight.

 

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by jon b

Fascinating to discover how the aircraft responds in an engine out scenario on the ground vs. in the air.

20 minutes ago, jon b said:

I believe Boeing have gone back to a normal pitch trim system with the 777X .

That's to be expected, IMO. Minimising variations between 777 and 777X so that the newer model received an amended type certificate, rather than an entirely new one. Also to help with Differences Training for pilots moving to the 777X.

Good flight for me so far, flies great and I love the sound sets. No issues with take off or tail strike luckily, I took off normally but my rate of climb was very fast and this down to my control settings - The only part I need to change is my Thrustmaster Sidestick settings as these need to be properly adjusted, especially the neutral zone. Right now I have to put a lot of front stick into it in order to bring the nose down so once I've worked that out it should be fine. Has anyone worked out their settings for this piece of hardware yet?

I'm looking forward to putting some hours into this beautiful beast.

 

Landing was fine too, was able to hold the nose off and gently touch down on the center line. From my experience today, there is zero wrong with this aircraft in terms of the disaster some posters have alluded to. Other than a few tweaks with the controller and a learning curve about the flight dynamics on take off and landing (how it feels to fly compared to other aircraft in the sim) this is a brilliant addition to the hangar.

Performance also amazing, smooth as silk from gate to gate out of Tokyo Narita into Fukuoka with high settings in FSLTL.

2 hours ago, F737MAX said:

That's to be expected, IMO. Minimising variations between 777 and 777X so that the newer model received an amended type certificate, rather than an entirely new one. Also to help with Differences Training for pilots moving to the 777X.

That explanation would not make sense in this particular case, as the normal 777 uses fly-by-wire with trim speed just like the 787.

2 hours ago, El Diablito said:

Good flight for me so far, flies great and I love the sound sets. No issues with take off or tail strike luckily, I took off normally but my rate of climb was very fast and this down to my control settings - The only part I need to change is my Thrustmaster Sidestick settings as these need to be properly adjusted, especially the neutral zone. Right now I have to put a lot of front stick into it in order to bring the nose down so once I've worked that out it should be fine. Has anyone worked out their settings for this piece of hardware yet?

I'm looking forward to putting some hours into this beautiful beast.

 

Don't go down the rabbit hole of changing your sensitivity settings for each aircraft. This should not be much different from a 737. Also it works fine with the 787-8 and the -10. So they, i.e. Horizon Simulations need to fix the elevator controls movement range on the -9 (or whatever is causing all those issues, it's all connected). I'm not a 787 pilot, but I'm sure the -9 doesn't fly like a brick while the -8 and -10 are smooth.

25 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Don't go down the rabbit hole of changing your sensitivity settings for each aircraft.

I do ok with my profiles. Each one depicts the difference in weight between each aircraft making it a bit more realistic. I didn't have any "issues" with my flight in the 789, as I posted earlier. All I needed to do was tweak my side stick so that it didn't feel like I was flying a kite. I tweaked mid flight and I had total control over my landing.

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by El Diablito

4 hours ago, jon b said:

The yokes are mechanically liked so capt and fo control columns move together like a ‘“normal” Boeing.

The control columns and rudders have backdrive actuators which provide feel and feedback from the flight control electronics.

It’s all artificial of course with the computers deciding what the feel should be.

The pitch trim on the 787 is slightly different in that it trims for a set speed rather than pitch,when you press the trim switch you’re actually changing this trim reference speed up or down. The theory is if you were to let go of everything the aircraft would settle at its in trim speed. In reality I just trim like any other aircraft.  I believe Boeing have gone back to a normal pitch trim system with the 777X .

A small amount of yaw and rudder feedback is introduced on the ground in the event of an engine failure on take off to help with pilot awareness, however once climbing out the FBW handles the engine out yaw and you could take your feet completely off the rudders if you really wanted to, the FBW would keep it straight.

 

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the feedback, I was not aware that the 787 was equipped with actuators which provides the pilots the feel of the aircraft. I just read about the 787's gust suppression system so I will adjust the settings on my force feedback yoke to lessen the effects of CAT.

Robert

Edited October 29, 20232 yr by HUSSAR

I can confirm, with a Simbrief plan the tailstrike ( if you don`t use your joystick to hard or better use em not, the plane lifts itself ) is mostly gone and the rotate is about the calculated fmc data..

As far as you up in the air the pitch is very hard to nose up, you have to correct this with your hardware or keyboard piching the plane down and i am seeing a hard reaction pushing the AP to nose down, so i think this pitching stuff needs a bit more love in the flight model..

cheers 😉

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

That explanation would not make sense in this particular case, as the normal 777 uses fly-by-wire with trim speed just like the 787.

Matt, any chance we could get a "highly unrealistic" option to show the current trim reference speed on the speedtape like PMDG provides with the 777? I know it's not available on the real aircraft but without force feedback in the sim I'm finding it quite difficult to find where it's at at any given time. 

31 minutes ago, Andrew2448 said:

 I know it's not available on the real aircraft but without force feedback in the sim I'm finding it quite difficult to find where it's at at any given time. 

Noe FF stick ever had gave me realistic feedback. So I resort to classic stick and rudder skill aka "pitch/trim for airspeed". Set thrust, then pitch,  trim - let go controls. If airplane stays where it suppose (pitch attitude/speed) then you are prefectly trimmed

Hallo, die 787-9 ist ein wunderschönes Flugzeug, nicht auf PMDG oder Fenix LKevel, aber wirklich toll.
Was mir allerdings nicht gefällt, ist der starke Umkehrschub, den ich noch nie bei einem Flugzeug hatte, so dass das Flugzeug fast zum Stillstand kommt, wenn man den Rückwärtsgang antippt.
Hat das noch jemand beobachtet??