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1 minute ago, Lucky38i said:

He doesn’t. Just taking a second to think would demonstrate that asobo has been making big Investments in improving their default aircraft for both PC and Xbox players and the ini A320 is just another one of those.

This is just very obviously troll bait and it’s working pretty well.

His point is not that Asobos flight model is bad but that we're getting flooded with 320s and i too don't see the need for so many to chose from. Just my two cents.

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2 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

His point is not that Asobos flight model is bad but that we're getting flooded with 320s and i too don't see the need for so many to chose from. Just my two cents.

Actually his point was both that there are too many A320s and that the MSFS flight model is poor!

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Just now, JYW said:

Actually his point was both that there are too many A320s and that the MSFS flight model is poor!

Those are two points and i agree with one of them.

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5 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

His point is not that Asobos flight model is bad but that we're getting flooded with 320s and i too don't see the need for so many to chose from. Just my two cents.

My point had nothing to do with the flight model cause quite frankly that’s a conversation in futility.

im specifically talking about the 320. The ini 320 was developed to provide Xbox users or marketplace users a means to a relatively high fidelity a320. Much like WT providing a suite of garmins or improving the current Boeings provided in the sim. Yes it’s once again another 320 but there is a valid reason for it

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3 minutes ago, ThomseN_inc said:

gosh you know what i mean don't you? This is not Kindergarten

You said that his point was just that there are too many A320s.

I pointed out that his post was clearly about there being too many A320s and that the default flight model is poor.

You said "That's two points yes, and I agree with one.

That doesn't make any sense.   I figure your just someone who likes the last word. 

Nothing to do with Kindergarten - just that some people cannot accept they were wrong.   It's ok to be wrong you know!

We;ll leave it there.   Unless you want the last word of course.

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Leaving aside the OP's weird leap of logic to say that fly-by-wire aircraft can "cover up" poor FMs or FDEs in a sim, re: there being too many A320s it's also a case of timeline and how things have transpired since MSFS's release: Asobo's first default A320neo was absolutely no good, then the FBW dev group came along with their A320neo mod, then Fenix with the A320 ceo. Asobo recently contracting out to replace their initial default A320neo with a much better (medium fidelity if you will) A320neo doesn't now mean we are being inundated with A320s.. and note that's exactly what the new ini A320neo is, the replacement default one in the sim.. Asobo is only keeping the old one around due to existing missions/etc and not wanting to beak them.

As for the dearth of high fidelity long-haulers Airbus or Boeing, the OP might want to take note of:
- the existing default 787 which (like said here before many times) is of some serious fidelity for a default aircraft
- the existing default A310
- the upcoming PMDG 777
- the upcoming PMDG 747
- the upcoming iniBuilds A300
- the upcoming iniBuilds "modern airbus longhauler" as they are teasing. They will reveal what that is by end-of-year, and they've said it's not an A380 or A340 (so likely will be a A330 or A350)
- the upcoming FBW A380

As to why long-hauler/widebody aircraft products are taking longer than short-haulers, I'm guessing the primary reason it's because short-haulers/narrowbody aircraft are more popular so developers chose to focus on them first (and also when it comes to Boeings because PMDG is the only developer of note doing the main models so therefore it's a matter of waiting as they go thru the 737, 777, 747, etc in that order).

And back to the OP's weird statements about fly-by-wire/airbus and FMs, I'd say all these non-Airbus aircraft are pretty dang good FM wise in MSFS, all of which use the sim's core FDE: PMDG 737, default 787, default CJ4, default Longitude, Leonardo MD80, and various GA birds like the FSR500, BlackSquare TBM 850, FSW C414, Milviz C310, etc etc.
 

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2 minutes ago, JYW said:

You said that his point was just that there are too many A320s.

I pointed out that his post was clearly about there being too many A320s and that the default flight model is poor.

You said "That's two points yes, and I agree with one.

That doesn't make any sense.   I figure your just someone who likes the last word. 

Nothing to do with Kindergarten - just that some people cannot accept they were wrong.   It's ok to be wrong you know!

We;ll leave it there.   Unless you want the last word of course.

I'd like to. Yes. He critizises two things and i agreed with one of them. Don't know where that doesnt make sense. Anyways. The way people react to the OPs controversial opinion shows in which direction this forum is going to. Its either you go with the majority or you get kicked. Love it.

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i made 3 points

 

1) there are too many A320s (plus the supersize A320 skin, HW A330): this is objectively correct

  • Asobo default a320
  • fenix a320
  • fbw a320
  • INI a320
  • i think even Latin VFR has an a320??

2) airbus FBW logic, covers up the MSFS flight model.. this is objectively correct.. you don't have to factor in the nuances of how a MD80 / boeing behave in pitch and roll during various flight regime, because you can just slap Airbus FBW logic over it (hold pitch, command roll/pitch rates instead of commanding flight control deflection)

3) A320 and its variants are boring, the amount of manhours spent on making 5+ iterations of this aircraft, just so some people can simulate obscure circuit breaker failures or customize their IAE engine variant and whether the sign says No smoking vs No Portable devices... this is a FLIGHT simulator so the flying should feel authentic. not a Aircraft interior/exterior customizability simulator.. the fact that there are 5+ variants of A320 since release, all doing the same short-medium hauls, with little other diversity in the airliners (default 787 doesnt count since you need a specific MSFS for it, PMDG 777 doesnt count since its not out, A310 is a historic airliner and only arguably longhaul but definitely not ultralonghaul)... so, all of this, makes this point objectively correct

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32 minutes ago, Paul K said:

I have to admit, when I saw the news about Inibuilds' model, my first thought was...what, another one ?  And still no A340.

ini builds is also working on a modern long haul aircraft. They’re going to announce the model after the A300 releases

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2 minutes ago, ahmede19 said:

i made 3 points

 

1) there are too many A320s (plus the supersize A320 skin, HW A330): this is objectively correct

  • Asobo default a320
  • fenix a320
  • fbw a320
  • INI a320
  • i think even Latin VFR has an a320??

2) airbus FBW logic, covers up the MSFS flight model.. this is objectively correct.. you don't have to factor in the nuances of how a MD80 / boeing behave in pitch and roll during various flight regime, because you can just slap Airbus FBW logic over it (hold pitch, command roll/pitch rates instead of commanding flight control deflection)

3) A320 and its variants are boring, the amount of manhours spent on making 5+ iterations of this aircraft, just so some people can simulate obscure circuit breaker failures or customize their IAE engine variant and whether the sign says No smoking vs No Portable devices... this is a FLIGHT simulator so the flying should feel authentic. not a Aircraft interior/exterior customizability simulator.. the fact that there are 5+ variants of A320 since release, all doing the same short-medium hauls, with little other diversity in the airliners (default 787 doesnt count since you need a specific MSFS for it, PMDG 777 doesnt count since its not out, A310 is a historic airliner and only arguably longhaul but definitely not ultralonghaul)... so, all of this, makes this point objectively correct

Stop having an opinion on avsim that others don’t like. They’ll ask to ‘throw you the F out’ 

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