Carenado's Mooney M20J Released

[FlyingsCool 3]

"For 1 it would be illegal to use a non certified GPS to use as a pri,ary instrument."As I noted above - However - Who says it's your primary instrument? My plane's got two VOR's with glideslopes. I've already got the primary instruments.The assumption is that you already have a PC. Still, you could run the simulator on a $500 PC, which doesn't even come close to the cost of even a handheld aviation gps (i.e. G496), much less a panel mount G1000 installation. And don't tell me you can't run FSX on a $500 laptop; I've done it and it runs just fine. Albeit traffic and autogen are turned off, but you could turn everything off, all you need to see is the 2D panel with the GPS simulator.I'm only pointing out one reason why Bendix-King won't allow it. Stupid, I think, but, whatever. It's their market share to lose.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

[FlyingsCool 3]

I'm not sure what you mean by not moving. I'm talking about taking the PC up in the plane with you with a G1000 or whatever simulator going, being driven by a real gps receiver. Why not? (ok, it's illegal, but, it doesn't have to be your primary navigational means).BTW - What wires? My gps receiver is bluetooth. No bulky wires in my setup. Granted, a typical laptop w/keyboard would be a pain, but there are some nice tablets out there for cheap money, far less than a panel mount gps. How much is a G1000 installation? $50,000? (I dunno).Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

[Geofa 108]

As I mentioned above-when I talked to Bendix King the reason they did not allow it as they had contracted a software company to do a version-something went wrong, and they were in litigation.As far as bluetooth-I use that with my fliteprep software and tablet pc. I was mentioning a Garmin 496 that has a whole mass of wires.antennas.In my plane we have a kln94 (ifr), a 496 with xm, and fliteprep pro that has taws, all charts-ifr/vfr, and a 3d terrain display so we are pretty well covered. I'd still like to practice the kln94 on the sim at home where it is less hectic though.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[FlyingsCool 3]

I totally agree. I think it is extremely important that all these complex tools have simulators available for pilots to practice at home. Accurate simulators.You read about it all the time, just a little button press puts the GPS in a mode, the pilot doesn't realize it, and pretty soon they aren't looking at what they thought they were looking at.I was talking to one pilot that, they thought they were setting up the GPS for the approach early, the GPS automatically switched into backcourse mode because of the plane's position. The pilot didn't realize it until they were on final and were able to quickly fix it, when they realized the approach wasn't correct. But a less experienced pilot may not have reacted so well.In another instance, I read about a pair of pilots with thousands of hours experience, didn't realize they had passed a fix, and the gps had switched automatically to the next fix in line, and they ended up flying into the side of a mountain.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

[LAdamson 240]

>I'm not sure what you mean by not moving. I'm talking about>taking the PC up in the plane with you with a G1000 or>whatever simulator going, being driven by a real gps receiver.> Why not? (ok, it's illegal, but, it doesn't have to be your>primary navigational means).>>BTW - What wires? My gps receiver is bluetooth. No bulky>wires in my setup. Granted, a typical laptop w/keyboard would>be a pain, but there are some nice tablets out there for cheap>money, far less than a panel mount gps. How much is a G1000>installation? $50,000? (I dunno).>IMO, You'd be better off with something like the Garmin 496 hand-held.The real panel mount Garmin 1000 is also connected to numerous engine, fuel tank, and magnetic directional sensors, as well as auto-pilot, pressure/altitude, etc. None of this important info would be on the real time display for a CPU driven practice demo. All you'd have, is "where am I", as nothing else would apply to the actual aircraft in flight.edit: forgot XM weather & traffic alerts, that the demo won't be doing either.L.Adamson -- Garmin 296 ( I want a 496!)

[Geofa 108]

I used the anywhere map with bluetooth xm for several years and gave up on it as at the most crucial time the bluetooth would drop the weather connection. I also used it with my fliteprep motion tablet (the best software ever) but also found the xm bluetooth connection would drop.We sprung for a 496 last year and it is the best investment ever made. I consider it a no go item-the xm weather has paid for the unit already in non delayed/extended flights. I have lots of pictures of it in action on my blog site but I cannot recommend it enough-it is simply a gem! Xm weather is the greatest!http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[Geofa 108]

I agree! I love toys but I have to wonder how the statistics are going with them. A very good ifr pilot I fly with abilities seemed to go quite a bit downhill once he installed a 496 in his plane. He spends so much time twiddling with it that his precision has gone out the window-let alone the out the window scan. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[bkeske 0]

I wouldn't Manny. That is why the only ones I would consider would be the radio gauges, which I did in my FS9 versions.I agree, you don't get much better than RealAir when it comes to gauges....even my RXP stuff isn't as nice.

[FlyingsCool 3]

Just look at all the Cirrus crashes lately. There's been a big worry lately about it. All pilot error as far as I know, but, these toys put you in a state of complacency, and they're still not quite ready for prime time. I know some Cirrus pilots, and they talk about how common MFD/PFD failures are. eek!Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

[LAdamson 240]

.>>In another instance, I read about a pair of pilots with>thousands of hours experience, didn't realize they had passed>a fix, and the gps had switched automatically to the next fix>in line, and they ended up flying into the side of a>mountain.>I suppose this could be the American Airlines 757 cargo plane that crashed in Colombia/South America. Then there was the Hendricks MotorSports flight into rising terrain and so on.What neither of these aircraft had, was a detailed moving map display like the types available today. The Hendricks aircraft had a GPS, but it was an older model that shows not much more than a line from point to point. These pilots just didn't have the "big picture"!With the type of display you'll see on the Garmin 1000 or 496 hand-held; it's a whole lot tougher to become confused. And with displays such as these, that Comair "wrong runway" takeoff/accident could have been easily avoided too! I have an on-going interest in flight into terrain accidents and prevention. This new technology with terrain warning, as well as weather overlays are a big boost in the "prevention" department! We average three flight into terrain accidents every year, out here in the mountain west. Just got one a few weeks ago.L.Adamson

[Geofa 108]

I had a near collision with a pilot of a Cirrus about a year ago. I was acting safety pilot on an ils approach to kjxn and we were just past the marker when the Cirrus pilot reported being completely on the other side of the airport. Next thing I knew he flew right in front of us on the final approach course-boy did the tower read him the riot act. I was trying to figure out with all those good map doodads how the pilot could have gotten completely disoriented like that! I don't think he ever saw us-probably head in the map doodad...http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[Geofa 108]

Not only does the Garmin do terrain-it yells out at you verbally terrain warnings and the last 500 ft.-really cool!http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

[LAdamson 240]

>Just look at all the Cirrus crashes lately. There's been a>big worry lately about it. All pilot error as far as I know,>but, these toys put you in a state of complacency, and they're>still not quite ready for prime time. I know some Cirrus>pilots, and they talk about how common MFD/PFD failures are. >eek!>See my other reply. These devices are anything but "toys"!!!Over the course of aviation history, there have been many,many, and more many, airplanes that have flown into terrain in IMC or dark conditions. Usually a case of being un-aware, lost, or lapse of awareness. New technology, especially database driven 3D terrain mapping, such as the mesh we use in flight simulation, will go a long way, with prevention. L.Adamson

[LAdamson 240]

>I had a near collision with a pilot of a Cirrus about a year>ago. I was acting safety pilot on an ils approach to kjxn and>we were just past the marker when the Cirrus pilot reported>being completely on the other side of the airport. Next thing>I knew he flew right in front of us on the final approach>course-boy did the tower read him the riot act. I was trying>to figure out with all those good map doodads how the pilot>could have gotten completely disoriented like that! I don't>think he ever saw us-probably head in the map doodad...>Just think; the new generation, who can text message faster than us old people can think, will have it all under control. We're just old fogies that have trouble learning new tricks! :-lol L.Adamson

[FlyingsCool 3]

ONLY if you know how to use it appropriately.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180