39 minutes ago, Mike S KPDX said:

The title of this thread is a given.  In what possible way would this be 'unexpected'?

MSFS had a banner year in 2022 and the 2022 Navigraph survey.  After such a good year in 2022 and such a good Navigraph survey for MSFS in 2022, I wasn't sure if MSFS would lose market in this Navigraph survey.  To my surprise, MSFS gained market share in this Navigraph survey.

19 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

MSFS had a banner year in 2022 and the 2022 Navigraph survey.  After such a good year in 2022 and such a good Navigraph survey for MSFS in 2022, I wasn't sure if MSFS would lose market in this Navigraph survey.  To my surprise, MSFS gained market share in this Navigraph survey.

The survey confirmed to me that consumers still recognize and purchase the highest quality products.

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

MSFS had a banner year in 2022 and the 2022 Navigraph survey.  After such a good year in 2022 and such a good Navigraph survey for MSFS in 2022, I wasn't sure if MSFS would lose market in this Navigraph survey.  To my surprise, MSFS gained market share in this Navigraph survey.

I am not in the least bit surprised that MSFS gained even more market share in 2023. What exactly have the other simulators done to make anyone think otherwise?

Edited December 22, 20232 yr by Christopher Low

LM bowed out of the race with their V6 release. Hugely underwhelming.

Astonishing are the answers to the question "which product release are you looking forward to?": besides "various DCS aircraft" on the last rank, there is not a single non-MSFS product! 

3 hours ago, fsiscool said:

Astonishing are the answers to the question "which product release are you looking forward to?": besides "various DCS aircraft" on the last rank, there is not a single non-MSFS product! 

This fact is especially impressive for MSFS considering that MSFS needs fewer add-on products to begin with.

4 hours ago, fsiscool said:

Astonishing are the answers to the question "which product release are you looking forward to?": besides "various DCS aircraft" on the last rank, there is not a single non-MSFS product! 

Actually, I think that chart is underrepresented by MSFS. This survey seems to have underrepresented XBox users, with only 2.6% of the survey using XBox as their primary device for flight simulation.  So if there were proper representation of XBox users, that chart would probably look even more lopsided for MSFS, meaning even the "various DCS World aircraft" option at 3.2% wouldn't be on that list, and it would be entirely MSFS dominated.

I say this because I don't think XBox users make up 2.6% of PMDG's sales, I think they make up a higher percentage of PMDG sales, based on my own interpretation of Randazzo's comments (ie. Randazzo saying the MSFS market is 1000 times larger than P3D, which only makes sense if he is including the XBox market).  I still think PMDG sells more on PC than XBox, so I would say XBox users make up less than 50% of PMDG's sales to the home market.  If I were to guess (and this is a very unscientific guess), XBox sales probably make up somewhere between 2.6% to 35% of PMDG sales to the home market.

Ergo, if you are a 3rd party developer, you should consider that this Navigraph survey is underrepresenting the true market size of MSFS, and that if you develop for MSFS and you sell on XBox as well as PC, you would make even more money than you would expect from this survey.  This would be consistent with the comments that Randazzo has said.

Edited December 23, 20232 yr by abrams_tank

The single specific graphics card with the most users is the RTX 4090 @ 14.5%! I would go bankrupt if I even looked at one of those

 

15 hours ago, Twenty6 said:

Were you only able to take this survey once or once-a-day?

all you had to do was switch browsers 😉

13 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

And as @Krakin pointed out, only 2.6% of Navigraph survey users were primarily using consoles. This means the vast majority of Navigraph survey users are probably "hard core" flight simmers. And what flight simulator do the "hard core" flight simmers prefer? Yup, that's right. The "hard core" flight simmers prefer MSFS (FYI, this is not surprising, as Avsim is mostly made up of hard core flight simmers, and the overwhelming majority of Avsim are active in the MSFS forum now).

Sorry, correlation isn't causation.

For e.g., does the fact that the Dodge Ram truck handily outsold the Toyota Tundra or, well, EVERY model of Honda, Toyota, Subaru, et al in 2023 mean that it's a superior vehicle for "hard core" family transportation?

11 hours ago, David Mills said:

The survey confirmed to me that consumers still recognize and purchase the highest quality products.

ha ha ha ha ha - this is laughably untrue.

please see my response above for just one example out of hundreds that easily come to mind.

 

8 hours ago, fsiscool said:

Astonishing are the answers to the question "which product release are you looking forward to?": besides "various DCS aircraft" on the last rank, there is not a single non-MSFS product! 

This is yet another false equivalence fallacy:

The fact that 70% of the market flies MSFS virtually guarantees that "most anticipated release" will be utterly dominated by MSFS titles. Then throw in the fact that most of the stuff that MSFS users want are already very well represented in X-Plane and...well, hopefully you can follow the bouncing ball.

16 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Who is the guy with 1TB of RAM?

Bill Gates

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

correlation isn't causation

What claim of causation do you see in Abrams post? I see a deduction, (and arguably not a high quality one), but I’m not sure I see a claim that A has caused B…?

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

This is yet another false equivalence fallacy

Interesting that you'd accuse somebody of false equivalence immediately after suggesting a spurious (I say spurious, what I mean is patently absurd) analogy of SUV sales and hardcore family transportation (offensive initials not allowed?!?!) for flightsim software.

Edited December 23, 20232 yr by scotchegg