1 hour ago, francobfort said:

The responses were expected. I'm not here to seek advice on how I should speak towards leaders or my tone or justification for the actions of the MSFS team.

Seems like you’re complaining on a forum for flying games about another forum for a flying game and specifically complaining about the guy who’s in charge of the game. 
 

Your post even explained you’d been warned or banned before. Each to their own and it’s obviously up to you how you conduct yourself . . . but it doesn’t sound like what you’re doing is working. To me your post sounded a bit rude tbh. 

As to the flying experience bit, I’m not remotely bothered by or interested in Jorge’s IRL flying experience. His enthusiasm for the MSFS is clearly huge and I’m really happy he’s in charge of the project. 
 

 

Edited August 21, 20241 yr by g-liner

1 hour ago, francobfort said:

The responses were expected. I'm not here to seek advice on how I should speak towards leaders or my tone or justification for the actions of the MSFS team.

I'll be frank, that advice sounds like EXACTLY what you need or your are going to find yourself increasingly ostracised and blocked from conversations about the direction of the sim.

3 hours ago, francobfort said:

The responses were expected. I'm not here to seek advice on how I should speak towards leaders or my tone or justification for the actions of the MSFS team.

Haven't you been on the official forum demanding a free upgrade to 2024? Do you think you'll get that with your tone/attitude? lol

Honestly, sometimes I feel that in this community we lose perspective of this hobby and everything that Asobo / Microsoft / Laminar / Lockheed / others have done for us, who ultimately are the ones enjoying flight simulation. In my case, I paid $60 for the standard version of the simulator, and that has given me access to:

• flying around the entire planet with an incredible level of detail; today we can fly a helicopter and tour our neighborhoods, amazed by the simulator’s level of detail.
• flying an Airbus or a Boeing, replicating the procedures of real aircraft, but from the comfort of wherever we have our simulator.
• choosing various types of aircraft, some with more detail than others, allowing us to perform different types of flights.
• a platform where we can purchase additional products like PMDG / Fenix / A2A / others that undoubtedly add an extra level of realism.
• a marketplace with a variety of products to choose from to continue enhancing the experience.

In short, for $60, I have more than 50 aircraft in my virtual hangar at home and almost every afternoon, I happily explore some part of the planet and fly different aircrafts, always learning something new.

But when I see people expecting perfect weather, a flight model that replicates 99% of what would happen in real life, or expecting to stick their head out the window and see the same clouds drawn on their screen… with all due respect, I think we are losing perspective of what this whole world of simulation is about.

Obviously, everyone has the right to their own opinion and thoughts. In my case, I am totally grateful to all the developers who make all this possible and value every aspect of what they have done. It far exceeds the expectations of what I once imagined we could have. Sometimes it’s better to be happy with the extremely good things we have, rather than complaining so much and suffering because the Airbus flare isn’t perfect or the rain drops dont look real.

Keep in mind this whole cult-like overreaction was over how I asked instead of what I asked after seeing the direction of FS2024.

If it was so wrong why delete posts completely or hide flagged posts from public view? Too afraid that others may agree? More interested in image than what customers really think.

Agree, this is the ridiculous part in my eyes: "hidden by community flags". For sure. I do not really like to be treated as a full retard and this is what this post hiding "explanation" does. Fine if some of you get along with it, for me it is absolutely ridiculous. Sometimes you get the "hidden by community flags" remark even though four, five or more people like your post and in such a short time that it is simply not possible. So why not giving a honest reason for hiding the post? 

12 hours ago, STK said:

Rephrased, perhaps asking broadly "Can Jorg outline his aviation-specific background and experience level, to include any licenses he has, or broader familiarity with aircraft systems, what aircraft eras/ages he's most interested in, etc and how he applies that familiarity in his design direction?" "Additionally, do they plan on doing an interview catered toward a flight sim audience that consists of long-time users, and not those new to the program or flight simulation

Personally I can't see ANY polite way of asking if a team leader even " knows what he is talking about " or " has any feelings towards the product being realistic". 

As a consumer I respect companies who let people speak their minds as long as bad language or insults are not highlighted. When a company posts on its Web site a bunch of customer reviews and they are all 5 stars that is an instant red flag for me. Same if they are all one star lol but a fair mixture is a good sign for my respect for that company. 

You don't legally have to help that old lady across the road and it's not illegal to be discourteous or rude but I give respect due to how people treat others not whether it's technically a legal issue. 

The question of flight simulator developers having themselves experience in flying RW aircraft as a sign of being more or less capable or involved with the products they develop is a bit misleading...

I have been a private pilot for almost half a century, but I only fly gliders, so, if I ever had the chance to develop an helicopter simulation would that make me more capable than, say, YoYo from ED / DCS World, and aerodynamics engineer with no pilot license but a sound and immense experience in flight dynamics and computer based models ?  OFC not... Ah! he also does not use joysticks or rudder pedals but only the keyboard for his tests and yet, ED modules ranging from WW2 to modern fighters and including 3 variants of helicopter models are second to no other flight simulation game I know of...

The only time I got the chance to "fly an Airbus", long ago in a 1 hr session at the TAP trainning center at LPPT, although I did manage to land the A320 after taking off, taxied it, and even made at the end a few approaches under tricky weather didn't save me from the first experience with the takeoff, induced by my then "profound" experience with Aerowinx PS1 which had back then it's pitch axis simulating force in terms of course...   Wow, that first pull in the sidestick to start the takeoff rotation made the captain exclaim: "Hey!  This is not an F-16 !!!!" 🤣

Edited August 22, 20241 yr by jcomm

9 hours ago, dmvega81 said:

In my case, I am totally grateful to all the developers who make all this possible and value every aspect of what they have done. It far exceeds the expectations of what I once imagined we could have. Sometimes it’s better to be happy with the extremely good things we have, rather than complaining so much and suffering because the Airbus flare isn’t perfect or the rain drops dont look real.

You are an oldtimer still living in the good old times of early flight simulation when every addon was done by some enthusiasts sacrifying their free time on it. Times over, MSFS is a business as any other AAA game today, they earn millions of $ from us customers (even if one single customer pays "only" 60$ per copy), they earn millions of dollars via the Ingame Marketplace. So for me, no need for nostalgic glorifications of a multi-billion dollar company taking care of us poor flightsimmers. They want to earn money, they have to deliver. If us customers stop paying, they will shut down the servers and gone is your MSFS glory. Do you think they would care about your sentiments and how grateful you are about them providing you a wonderful sim? Dream on...

9 hours ago, dmvega81 said:

Obviously, everyone has the right to their own opinion and thoughts. In my case, I am totally grateful to all the developers who make all this possible and value every aspect of what they have done. It far exceeds the expectations of what I once imagined we could have. Sometimes it’s better to be happy with the extremely good things we have, rather than complaining so much and suffering because the Airbus flare isn’t perfect or the rain drops dont look real.

 

It is certainly debatable, how criticism is brought forward, but unfortunately not everyone is able to take the Working Title or FBW approach and improve lacking areas of the simulator on their own. For those, maybe pointing out flaws and discrepancies is a means of improvement itself? Why wouldn't I want my Airbus to flare perfectly or real looking raindrops, if it is technically doable?

It is my firm belief, that your point of view - which is often expressed in phrases like "It's not perfect, but it's better than what we had, so I'm happy with it" - only prevents developers from recognizing where they should improve. Where would the simulator be today, if everyone would have taken that approach?

 

 

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

You are an oldtimer still living in the good old times of early flight simulation when every addon was done by some enthusiasts sacrifying their free time on it. Times over, MSFS is a business as any other AAA game today, they earn millions of $ from us customers (even if one single customer pays "only" 60$ per copy), they earn millions of dollars via the Ingame Marketplace. So for me, no need for nostalgic glorifications of a multi-billion dollar company taking care of us poor flightsimmers. They want to earn money, they have to deliver. If us customers stop paying, they will shut down the servers and gone is your MSFS glory. Do you think they would care about your sentiments and how grateful you are about them providing you a wonderful sim? Dream on...

Geez, Chris! I thought I was the cynic of this group.

Yeah, sorry for my rants here, but it really drives me nuts on a regular basis that certain bugs are still there and besides some hot air, nothing is said or done about it. Bugs that for me ruin the whole experience in vast parts of the world and could be fixed so easily that I simply not get why nothing is done about. And if you write the slightest comment about it in the official forums, you are shut down by this "flagged by community" nonsense. 

2 hours ago, Tom_L said:

It is my firm belief, that your point of view - which is often expressed in phrases like "It's not perfect, but it's better than what we had, so I'm happy with it" - only prevents developers from recognizing where they should improve. Where would the simulator be today, if everyone would have taken that approach?

Nail. Head. 

I see this opinion a lot on AVSim and whilst it's a perfectly acceptable opinion what favours does it do for pushing the genre forward? None. Where Asobo screw up with poorly released updates, bug regressions, severe lack of obvious quality control then they need to be told. Not pandered too by saying "we've never had it so good and it's better then anything else so it'll do for now".

But that's where the official forums fall short, as mentioned a hundred times the "flagging posts" system goes against the right to share an opinion, not every flagged post is full of swearing or stupid comments, I've seen well written posts get flagged, well written topics get deleted by the mods - they simply don't understand the need for constructive critism and act all God Mod Like, I've seen it too much over there over these past four years to the point it's pointless wasting time.

Yes MSFS is brilliant, but it could've been so much better had Jorg, Seb and Martial understood more of the intricate failures they've made these past four years. I don't care a jot about A N Other flight sim, I don't care if it's never been as good as now, where it's obvious they should do better is what they need to realise.

16 hours ago, francobfort said:

When you wonder if the director of a flight sim has no piloting experience it makes sense that they would rather concentrate on other stuff like taking photos of deer and get annoyed when they have to talk about clouds and weather. Seb is the one always talking like Austin from XP, but even he has to follow design choices set by Jorg.

Lol sorry hard to take you seriously with gems like above.. Jorg does an interview with PC Gamer and focuses on the topics that he did per their questions and then your brilliantly insightful questions were "when will he do an interview with a flight simming audience" and "if he knows about aviation besides jobs and old planes"? Quite frankly they were too nice to you in their response. And now you're on about how they'd rather concentrate on taking photos of deer which is some desperate cherry picking.

Those lame attempts at distorting reality fall hard and flat given what has *actually* happened.. i.e. all what Jorg and Seb have said about MSFS 2024 so far, and the numerous interviews and presentations they've given to "flight simming audiences":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6riRXgRsCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPhScg_FINE
https://www.helisimmer.com/news/msfs-2024-interview-jorg-neumann-sebastian-wloch
https://www.helisimmer.com/interview/msfs-2024-helicopters-future-msfs-2020
https://msfsaddons.com/2024/06/24/interview-with-jorg-neumann-and-sebastian-wloch-on-microsoft-flight-simulator-2024-and-beyond/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9zh-7xoKqQ

Those are just some of the many... to anyone with basic listening skills and/or reading comprehension abilities, it's clear what they are "concentrating on".
 

Edited August 22, 20241 yr by lwt1971

Yea nice try bud, the minute I've seen the way you've caught Jummivana's attention and got on her bad side I knew you totally goofed!

Been dealing with Jummivana going on 4 years now, she is one of the most stand up professional and courteous community managers on those forums.

It's been plenty of times she put overzealous power tripping MSFS Forum moderators in their place and made them issue apologies and reverse actions to users.

Jummivana stands on business and gets stuff done, you have to be really problematic and toxic for it to reach her level of attention and actions.

The only good thing that place has going for it staff wise is Jummivana these days.

 

 

Edited August 22, 20241 yr by blueshark747