29 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Plus, War Thunder has ships and tanks as well, so very disingenuous to use a F2P game with 3 different completely different modules of gameplay, like it's only pulling those numbers because of the flying.

Aces of Thunder is the upcoming release by the team behind War Thunder (Gaijin), it is a "pure" flight simulator, starting with warbirds, and is a PS5 VR exclusive.

Meanwhile, 10% of users fly MSFS in VR and the other 90% foolishly bought an XBOX.

 

Edited February 15, 20242 yr by mSparks

20 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Aces of Thunder is the upcoming release by the team behind War Thunder (Gaijin), it is a "pure" flight simulator, starting with warbirds, and is a PS5 VR exclusive.

Meanwhile, 10% of users fly MSFS in VR and the other 90% foolishly bought an XBOX.

 

Exactly, upcoming, thus tells you nothing about its worth and popularity.

49 minutes ago, Murmur said:

I'm a third kind, I'm an experimental simmer: just test-flying, test-landing and test-failing every aircraft to their limits. 😆

Congratulations for the invention/introduction of a new kind 👍 .

5 hours ago, GoranM said:

Of course not.  X-Plane isn't made for XBox.  I can, however, run X-Plane on my 85" TV with an HDMI cable running from my MacBook Pro. The iPhone version is, as I said, meant for a little bit of time passing fun.  That's MY opinion.  Even though the mobile version is very, very close to the desktop version.  The limiting factor is external hardware.

Again, that wasn't my point.  We all have an opinion.  Just don't insult someone if their opinion is different to yours.  That's all.

For a 85" TV, you would definitely need to run XP in 4K. Having a Macbook M2 as well, I can say that the performance would be underwhelming, especially if you use advanced aircraft, plugins and ortho sceneries with it.

In any event, my response pertained to the comparison between Xbox and a phone. You at least can be a hardcore simmer on an Xbox. On an iPhone, that is just not possible.

Edited February 15, 20242 yr by GCBraun

1 hour ago, Sethos said:

Exactly, upcoming, thus tells you nothing about its worth and popularity.

aka following the crowd vs making the crowd follow you.

its enough to know aces of thunder is starting with 70 million players to know, as long as they dont mess it up, that it will be hugely popular and successful. Its enough from the demo gameplay video to see they almost certainly are not going to mess it up.

Same as it was for XP11 starting from a position of relative strength, that as long as they didn't mess up XP12 it would be popular and successful.

Edited February 15, 20242 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

aka following the crowd vs making the crowd follow you.

its enough to know aces of thunder is starting with 70 million players to know, as long as they dont mess it up, that it will be hugely popular and successful. Its enough from the demo gameplay video to see they almost certainly are not going to mess it up.

No, that's not how it works at all. War Thunder and Aces of Thunder has a very small player overlap, War Thunder's popularity comes from elements that aren't even present in Aces of Thunder. Gaijin has released multiple lukewarm titles that never even got a 10th of War Thunder's popularity. Aces of Thunder isn't a sequel or a natural evolution of War Thunder, where the crowd is expected to follow.

Edited February 15, 20242 yr by Sethos

5 hours ago, threexgreen said:

The same argument can be made for PC users. SeriousSimmers on PC are a niche and the vast majority of people use their PC for work - or gaming, playing the same casual games you play on Xbox, and there are enough simmers who aren't taking it all that serious on PC too.

Weird argument. Yes simming is a niche. And most of people don’t buy a PC to play games but to do a lot of different stuff on it. And that’s not the case with an XBox that is purchased 100% for gaming. That’s why it’s a different community for the vaste majority.

4 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

With the advent of MSFS on Xbox, there are now fairly complete flight sim setups possible.

So, if you can fly A2A Sims Comanche or PMDG's 737 on Xbox, using yoke/joystick, rudder pedals and throttle, is that not serious enough for you, somehow?

 

You are more or less right although not entirely because I doubt you can use a sim the same way as on a PC (searching for weather-infos on the internet, charts etc) even with a yoke.

But the point is that even if we assume it to be similar, those users are a small minority of all XBox-« simmers ». Otherwise there wouldn’t be such a low numbers of XBox-participants in the navigraph-survey. The vaste majority of them are simply not interested enough (the sim being just another game within many others).

39 minutes ago, Sethos said:

where the crowd is expected to follow.

PSVR2 is better spec'd than a varjo XR4 for everywhere it matters.....

Both 4K with foveated rendering driven by eye tracking

OLED > LED

HDR > LDR

120Hz > 90Hz

Except the PSVR2 is €500 and the varjo XR4 is €4,000

39 minutes ago, Sethos said:

War Thunder and Aces of Thunder has a very small player overlap

War Thunder kids have all grown up now, looking for something new, once you VR there is no going back to 2D (and they learnt enough from war thunder VR to be confident with a PSVR2 exclusive title), what do you think they will play instead, and who is going to tell them to play it?

Edited February 15, 20242 yr by mSparks

Back to the topic please.  If you want to run on about War Thunder et al, start a new thread in Hangar Chat, this forum isn't the place.