I'm in complete agreement @Orlaam

Furthermore, the RealAir Duke's were my favorite FSX/P3D aircraft and I can't imagine a scenario where these Duke's don't bring me that same level of enjoyment, considering what Black Square have already proven with MSFS to date.

1 hour ago, Chunk said:

I'm in complete agreement @Orlaam

Furthermore, the RealAir Duke's were my favorite FSX/P3D aircraft and I can't imagine a scenario where these Duke's don't bring me that same level of enjoyment, considering what Black Square have already proven with MSFS to date.

The Duke in FSX was probably the best "in-air" flight model.  You could bank in a climb or descent and not deviate too much from your pitch.  The problem with a lot of aircraft in FSX/FS9 was that making a turn resulted in a dramatic loss of altitude.  Yes, banking results in a loss of pitch, thus you need to add power or trim, but you don't just drop 1000 FPM.  The difference between stability and instability, which is how previous MS versions handled flight dynamics - unstable.  So it seems MSFS2020 manages to give you better stability in the air, better gliding dynamics, and better lift in turns. 

The Duke was very unstable, in my opinion, once your wheels were on the ground.  Rollout on touchdown was always a sloppy ordeal.  It's hit or miss with MSFS2020 and the various add-ons I have.  Ground handling has always been a weak spot in MSFS.

 

6 hours ago, Orlaam said:

I don't feel like the A2A flight dynamics are that great, in a general sense.  The trim is way too aggressive and it porpoises when trying to flare.  One or two clicks of trim and you go from -500 FPM to -800 or more. 

Off topic:  The elevator trim is adjustable in the A2A's tablet.  You can dial it right down/up.

Click where it shows below ('ADVANCED OPTIONS') and it opens up more options - one of which is elevator trim sensitivity (sorry for the low res pic - I'm not at my PC so this was a pic from the 'net).

Edited April 2, 20242 yr by JYW

On 4/1/2024 at 1:39 AM, Cavemanhead said:

I thought Black Square's gig was that they don't mess with the FDE at all.  They just use the stock default flight model and tweak everything else.  But...  I'd heard that for this plane, they ARE making their own flight model.  Does anyone know for sure?

 

Just to put your mind at rest, yes the Dukes will come with a bespoke flight model that in every way is designed and developed to be as close to the RW counterpart as possible.  RW Duke pilots have helped Black Square in this area and the reports back from those guys are incredibly positive.  Now as with every FM there will be some subjective musings from from the community and I'm sure we'll hear contrasting views aplenty but isn't that always the way.  You see it with A2A releases, PMDG releases, our own high-end releases, that's just the nature of the beast.  What you can be very much guaranteed with anything from Black Square is that an incredible amount of time, effort and incredibly hard work will make up all of their aircraft.  Nick the dev is a perfectionist of the highest order, watching and experiencing his work is a wondrous thing, there's no way in a million years he's going to neglect the FDE aspect of any of his releases and what can be done to increase the levels of realism in all of his releases will indeed get done.  Hope that helps somewhat. 

Edited April 2, 20242 yr by JustFlightScott

35 minutes ago, JustFlightScott said:

Just to put your mind at rest, yes the Dukes will come with a bespoke flight model that in every way is designed and developed to be as close to the RW counterpart as possible.  RW Duke pilots have helped Black Square in this area and the reports back from those guys are incredibly positive.  Now as with every FM there will be some subjective musings from from the community and I'm sure we'll hear contrasting views aplenty but isn't that always the way.  You see it with A2A releases, PMDG releases, our own high-end releases, that's just the nature of the beast.  What you can be very much guaranteed with anything from Black Square is that an incredible amount of time, effort and incredibly hard work will make up all of their aircraft.  Nick the dev is a perfectionist of the highest order, watching and experiencing his work is a wondrous thing, there's no way in a million years he's going to neglect the FDE aspect of any of his releases and what can be done to increase the levels of realism in all of his releases will indeed get done.  Hope that helps somewhat. 

Great to hear.

Not to sound rude or annoying but seeing how it's April already....and the release is supposed to be in the first half of April.

You know. It's April.

The first half started yesterday.

Can we get the plane now? 😁

4 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

Great to hear.

Not to sound rude or annoying but seeing how it's April already....and the release is supposed to be in the first half of April.

You know. It's April.

The first half started yesterday.

Can we get the plane now? 😁

Very rude!

😉

42 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

Great to hear.

Not to sound rude or annoying but seeing how it's April already....and the release is supposed to be in the first half of April.

You know. It's April.

The first half started yesterday.

Can we get the plane now? 😁

I'm willing to bet that when you were a kid you got up in the middle of the night upon Easter and started in on the candy in your Easter basket.......  Well before breakfast.... 🤣

2 minutes ago, fppilot said:

I'm willing to bet that when you were a kid you got up in the middle of the night upon Easter and started in on the candy in your Easter basket.......  Well before breakfast.... 🤣

Uh. "Were a kid?"

Still am. 😁

Edited April 2, 20242 yr by Sonosusto

55 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

You know. It's April.

In some YouTube video comments, JF Martyn has stated release is w/c 8th... so next week.  I know, the wait is a painful one! 😄

1 hour ago, JYW said:

In some YouTube video comments, JF Martyn has stated release is w/c 8th... so next week.  I know, the wait is a painful one! 😄

Don't fill our heads with lies and false hope! 🙂

On 3/27/2024 at 12:29 AM, Bert Pieke said:

Not sure the Turbine Duke was designed for "rough" conditions.. It strikes me more as an expensive Italian sportscar,  Ferrari or Lamborghini, to be treated with care and with respect.. 

It will become a bushplane no matter if his highness likes it or not 🙂 the roughest conditions are waiting for the Duke up there in Alaska. That´s why I am so looking forward to all the intense study-level features and engine parameters, to really test-fly him and challenge him, and have accurate realistic wear and damage on the engine. An aircraft that just flies and nothing can go wrong and nothing ever happens and nothing has any impact on the engine and systems is too boring for me, that´s why the Black Square planes are so perfect.

Remember if you don´t like to mess around with the more sophisticated engine of the Piston Duke which is similar to the good old A2A Accusim Cessna - the Turbine Duke with it´s almost one click start no matter how the climate or the oil temp or the battery is, is the way to go.

The only thing that really worries me is: I barely see any VOR stations up there in Alaska and Canada, while America is full of them. His Highness may therefore prefer flying in the states. But I heard the winters can be brutal in Montana too.

Edited April 2, 20242 yr by JetCat

9 hours ago, JYW said:

 

Off topic:  The elevator trim is adjustable in the A2A's tablet.  You can dial it right down/up.

Click where it shows below ('ADVANCED OPTIONS') and it opens up more options - one of which is elevator trim sensitivity (sorry for the low res pic - I'm not at my PC so this was a pic from the 'net).

I have adjusted this as well.  I just feel there's a tipping point with the trim.  You push the trim down and three clicks (partial rotation of the crank on the roof) and nothing, then that fourth click and same animation on the roof crank sends you down about -500 fpm.  It's not linear.  And it's confounded by the fact that as you descend, you have to decrease the manifold pressure.  My last flight I managed to keep the descent profile pretty consistent, but it was a delicate dance between power and trim and isn't easy to replicate.  The landing was, however, still a bit "porpoisey".  It's not like I can't perform a good flight and land well, but trying to achieve that nice stable flare without a level off or whatever is almost impossible.  The Black Square I can kill the power and pull back on the yoke to gently nose up and touchdown with ease.  As JF have said here about the upcoming Duke, the flight model is always contested by users.  It's important to keep in mind the fact that hardware really impairs the ability to be accurate for every user.  When I dumped the CH Yoke in FSX and bought the TM Boeing Yoke, it was night and day.  I could bank a plane and still maintain a descent pitch.  With the CH Yoke any aircraft I banked in would jump all over the place.  The ability to control and keep stable in the air was so much easier with the TM Yoke.  This is reflected in the Fenix A320.  Most people are using the TCA Airbus sidestick, or similar design.  On B2 releasing, real world A320 pilots with better hardware, like V1 Simulations, said it was good.  Those of us with the TCA were floating like we were on the moon.  So unfortunately it's all relative.  I can manage with the Comanche, but I do feel the pitch is too sensitive.

17 hours ago, Orlaam said:

One or two clicks of trim and you go from -500 FPM to -800 or more.  Very difficult to hold a vertical pitch attitude in descent.

That's not my experience at all. In fact it's probably the easiest plane I have to trim for pitch. I only use two btns on my joystick (not a wheel). I know there is a pitch acceleration setting you can change in the tablet. Maybe check that? I do agree it's very pitch sensitive on flare though. You have to be very gentle. I just assumed the real plane has a lot of elevator authority at low speed.

EDIT: Sorry, I see you already checked the trim acceleration.

Edited April 2, 20242 yr by s0cks

7 minutes ago, s0cks said:

That's not my experience at all. In fact it's probably the easiest plane I have to trim for pitch. I only use two btns on my joystick (not a wheel). I know there is a pitch acceleration setting you can change in the tablet. Maybe check that? I do agree it's very pitch sensitive on flare though. You have to be very gentle. I just assumed the real plane has a lot of elevator authority at low speed.

EDIT: Sorry, I see you already checked the trim acceleration.

I believe it's easier to land at higher speeds in the sim, whereas I am pretty sure you come in really slow and stall onto the runway.  If I try to achieve a stall during landing, which is realistic, it's bopping up and down the whole time. 

9 minutes ago, Orlaam said:

I believe it's easier to land at higher speeds in the sim, whereas I am pretty sure you come in really slow and stall onto the runway.  If I try to achieve a stall during landing, which is realistic, it's bopping up and down the whole time. 

Ah ok. Maybe I'll try a higher speed landing. I too try and stall it onto the runway. I'm getting pretty good at it now (my landings are usually around -100fpm), but you do have to be super gentle on the yoke for sure.