Looks nice, but not sure where it will fit in to my hanger.  I have the 414 and the TBM850.  Not sure I have the time to fly another high performance small plane.

So in the startup video at around the 8:30 mark when the prop is feathered inflight theres a demonstration that a feather prop wont start due to the pitch of the blade. However, both the throttle and mixture are both still closed when the narrator attempts to turn over the engine. I'm not doubting that BS hasnt modeled this well but it seems it would of been more of a true demo had the mixture of been set to high and at least the throttle cracked.

Edited March 26, 20242 yr by Ident

4 hours ago, MarkW said:

Looks nice, but not sure where it will fit in to my hanger.  I have the 414 and the TBM850.  Not sure I have the time to fly another high performance small plane.

For me, once released, the Duke will permanently replace the 414, which I will uninstall. I really enjoyed the 414 and have flown it extensively but the absence of a wear-and-tear and failure model means I will part with it and focus on the Duke for high-performance. 

2 hours ago, Cognita said:

For me, once released, the Duke will permanently replace the 414, which I will uninstall. I really enjoyed the 414 and have flown it extensively but the absence of a wear-and-tear and failure model means I will part with it and focus on the Duke for high-performance. 

Makes sense if you are looking for ultimate realism.  I am not sure with my limited time to fly that I really want to deal with failures.  I just want to enjoy a normal ops flight.

On 3/5/2024 at 11:55 AM, Bert Pieke said:

Darn, I just decided "No more airplanes".. 😉

Nah, that was just a dream... you must have nodded off 😴

8 minutes ago, MarkW said:

Makes sense if you are looking for ultimate realism.  I am not sure with my limited time to fly that I really want to deal with failures.  I just want to enjoy a normal ops flight.

Yes, that makes complete sense and to be honest the detail in the 414 and especially the flight model is excellent, I am not sure it can be substantially improved upon.

I like the work of trying to take care of the aircraft and of consequences when I don't or when I do something dumb. I also like the work of understanding what is going on and how to diagnose and correct it. So, for me, the Duke is closer to what I am looking for in a pay ware aircraft.

On 3/25/2024 at 3:50 PM, Ident said:

I dont use or buy PMDG type planes so perhaps developers who do study level airliner types might already be ahead of this but to me

They don't, PMDG does not even simulate basic circuit breaker functionality. I think because it is just too complex on those large birds so with them high-fidelity means something different. It is why I have ended up enjoying general aviation so much in MSFS, because the aircraft can be modeled and programed to this extent. I am learning a great deal and really enjoy the challenge of flying them well. And this from someone who flew almost exclusively airliners in P3D. The Duke and the 777 will likely release around the same time and for me I will almost certainly purchase the Duke and hold off on the 777 for a while; I will get it but it brings far less excitement than this high-fidelity twin.

1 hour ago, Cognita said:

I like the work of trying to take care of the aircraft and of consequences when I don't or when I do something dumb. I also like the work of understanding what is going on and how to diagnose and correct it. 

FSPassengers use to offer random failure which I really enjoyed because you never knew what and or when a failure would happen. I particularly enjoyed when I would get an electrical failure as it would show by all the electronics would flicker on and off and be mostly off from that point on. This happened to me in the PMDG JS41 in IFR from Eagle to Denver on PilotEdge and I diverted with ATC help and landed even in IFR with limited avionics. I thought their failure model was really good but it was one size fits all and not for any particular plane.

When A2A started releasing planes and then later I started using REP by Sim Coders in XP that offered wear and tear, I welcomed the airplane specific failure and that it wasnt necessarily just random. However, I feel like BS got it right or best with taking each system, putting them through a Circuit Breaker then giving each item a life age based off of real data within reason and also added a slider ratio for a multiplier and the ability to change the hours or create a failure time window. I feel like that should be the standard for all good Payware addons in how best to create wear, tear and failures.

For a long time I had a feeling that it was unfortunate to have knowledge of what to do to avoid unnecessary wear or misuse of the plane only in the back of my mind knowing it didnt matter because it wasnt featured and thus wouldnt fail or break. It makes for bad habits that could care over to a casual real life pilot or flight. So yeah, I feel Black Square has really outshined in this release.

According to Wikipedia, a little less than 600 Dukes were ever built. [whereas the C-172 is listed as having 44,000 built] Interesting how mythical this aircraft is in real life and in simulated life.

I can remember only ever seeing one (irl) during my ramp rat days and being filled with awe.

Looking forward to this one.

5 minutes ago, RichieFly said:

According to Wikipedia, a little less than 600 Dukes were ever built. [whereas the C-172 is listed as having 44,000 built] Interesting how mythical this aircraft is in real life and in simulated life.

I can remember only ever seeing one (irl) during my ramp rat days and being filled with awe.

Looking forward to this one.

If I remember correctly, RyanBATC went to a Duke convention a few years back. He might have photos  

On 3/25/2024 at 1:35 PM, Ident said:

What I am really looking for is good bush plane to use in Idaho backcountry so it needs to be STOL, able to fly in icing conditions and system rich.

Not sure the Turbine Duke was designed for "rough" conditions.. It strikes me more as an expensive Italian sportscar,  Ferrari or Lamborghini, to be treated with care and with respect.. 

You may have to look for other places to fly this aircraft, unless your definition of backcountry is paved airstrips in remote locations.. which you can certainly visit in this aircraft..   😉

Edited March 26, 20242 yr by Bert Pieke

9 hours ago, MarkW said:

Looks nice, but not sure where it will fit in to my hanger.  I have the 414 and the TBM850.  Not sure I have the time to fly another high performance small plane.

I am in the same boat.. and since I tend to spend little time fussing with fouled spark plugs and flooded engines, this one may just carry too much "study level" content for my liking.  Realistic flight model and avionics are top of my wish list, and the other Blacksquare aircraft, A36 and TBM850 provide that already.. 🙂

1 hour ago, Les Parson said:

If I remember correctly, RyanBATC went to a Duke convention a few years back. He might have photos  

Hehe yep.  Maybe some liveries found in the duke addons were from the convention 😜

Grand Duke Info: 

Grand Duke Package – BLR Aerospace

 

43 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I am in the same boat.. and since I tend to spend little time fussing with fouled spark plugs and flooded engines, this one may just carry too much "study level" content for my liking.  Realistic flight model and avionics are top of my wish list, and the other Blacksquare aircraft, A36 and TBM850 provide that already.. 🙂

This is where I am also. I dont doubt it will be an amazing plane, Just not sure its for me. Will end up buying it anyway. Like a drug addict.

The good thing from the video is it seems pretty easy and fast to reset if you foul it up. I like that part a lot.

Edited March 27, 20242 yr by Ron Lefebvre