2 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

The video literally talks about how they don't use navigraph for their data and why, starting about 5 minutes. 

It will use the navigraph data if you have it installed.

What he's saying is you don't need Navigraph to use the program.

Edited May 2, 20242 yr by Tuskin38

1 minute ago, Tuskin38 said:

They don't use Navigraph only for their data.

Right...they don't use navigraph for their data. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell. 

2 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

Right...they don't use navigraph for their data. Are you agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell. 

It uses whatever data you have in your sim. Navigraph overrides the default data so if you have it installed it will use it.

If I'm understanding what was said on Discord correctly.

Edited May 2, 20242 yr by Tuskin38

Just now, Tuskin38 said:

It uses whatever data you have in your sim. Navigraph overrides the default data so it will see that and use it.

If I'm understanding what was said on Discord correctly.

Gotcha. I'm not in the discord, so just going by the video. The video says, “I know the very next question will be, “Well, why are you using the sim as your data source? Why don’t you just use Navigraph, or something like that?” Well, there’s unfortunately a couple caveats that come with that that make it not the obvious choice.” (which he goes on to explain)

So my assumption based on what you saw in the discord is if Navigraph is putting data into the sim, then that's what you'll get as a BeyondATC subscriber since it's taking data directly from the sim, right? So those caveats only really apply if you're not paying for and using Navigraph. 

Kind of just thinking aloud, here, but I think that's accurate then.

BATC uses Navigraph data which is installed in the sim (like SID, STAR, navaids). It does not use Navigraph data which is not installed in the sim (like taxiways).

You can see taxiways in Navigraph Charts but they often don't sync with what is in the sim. BATC only uses what actually is in the sim, no matter where it comes from.

If BATC would get ALL its data from Navigraph you would run into problems quickly because of data (like taxiways) not being in sync.

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7 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

Gotcha. I'm not in the discord, so just going by the video. The video says, “I know the very next question will be, “Well, why are you using the sim as your data source? Why don’t you just use Navigraph, or something like that?” Well, there’s unfortunately a couple caveats that come with that that make it not the obvious choice.” (which he goes on to explain)

So my assumption based on what you saw in the discord is if Navigraph is putting data into the sim, then that's what you'll get as a BeyondATC subscriber since it's taking data directly from the sim, right? So those caveats only really apply if you're not paying for and using Navigraph. 

Kind of just thinking aloud, here, but I think that's accurate then.

Tup61 just gave a better answer than me

9 minutes ago, tup61 said:

BATC uses Navigraph data which is installed in the sim (like SID, STAR, navaids). It does not use Navigraph data which is not installed in the sim (like taxiways).

Perfect, thanks for the clarification. This makes a lot of sense.

 

4 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Tup61 just gave a better answer than me

Indeed, thanks!

Yeah I think that part of the video could be clearer.

Other than that what is worrying to me is the part about missing or wrong data. It almost sounds like you need payware airports for it to function properly. I get it that taxiways are wrong but give me wrong taxiways at least if that's what I have in the sim.

10 minutes ago, Tva said:

Yeah I think that part of the video could be clearer.

Other than that what is worrying to me is the part about missing or wrong data. It almost sounds like you need payware airports for it to function properly. I get it that taxiways are wrong but give me wrong taxiways at least if that's what I have in the sim.

It will give you wrong taxiways, if they are in the scenery data. (How would it even know if they are correct or not? Navigraph does not have taxiways as (machine-readable) data, so there's no way to check for whether the scenery data is wrong or right)
What might happen, is that the scenery data (the AFCAD) has no taxiways set at all or at least none that connect the gate with a runway. In those cases it will say it can't give you taxiways.

23 minutes ago, Tva said:

Yeah I think that part of the video could be clearer.

Other than that what is worrying to me is the part about missing or wrong data. It almost sounds like you need payware airports for it to function properly. I get it that taxiways are wrong but give me wrong taxiways at least if that's what I have in the sim.

Tell your airport designers to add this to the scenery and you’ll be good:

All SIDS/STARS/Approaches/Taxi Ways/ Gates (labeled with all information such as name and type)/Runway hold short points (marked with direction and which runway they apply to)/Route Legs/Connection legs/Transitions

Extremely disappointed to find out they are not using Navigraph, and use cost as a reason.  This strongly suggests they are targeting more casual gamers.  People who are seriously invested in flight simulation already have Navigraph.  More to the point however, this is just going to cause all kinds of problems as he even acknowledges.  If a 3rd party airport isn’t up to date, that’s a problem with the 3rd party airport.  Oftentimes there are alternatives.  What he is suggesting is he’s going to make his product bad because of some bad apples in the scenery marketplace.  I can work around bad airport add-ons (including flying in and out of better represented airports if I have to).  What I can’t deal with is a variety of products on different ARINC cycles or worse.

The only way to keep all products in sync is for every product to use Navigraph. Period.  What am I to think when I plan my route in Simbrief, load the charts in Navigraph Charts, and then ATC sends me off on an approach I don’t even have a chart for?

Furthermore, if he’s trying to get data out of the sim, how is that going to work with products like Pro-Sim (and eventually Jeehell FMGS) when these products sit outside the simulation platform and only use that platform for visual depictions outside?  I just don’t see that working at all.

This has now gone from a hour one/day one purchase for me, to an “I’ll wait and see if someone can get it working with Pro-Sim” before I even think about buying it.

2 hours ago, kholt said:

The only way to keep all products in sync is for every product to use Navigraph

Not everyone can afford that.

 

2 hours ago, kholt said:

Extremely disappointed to find out they are not using Navigraph,

It will use Navigraph's AIRAC data if you have it installed. They're just not forcing people to get Navigraph to use the program.

 

2 hours ago, kholt said:

This strongly suggests they are targeting more casual gamers.

What "casual gamers" will want to use realistic ATC?

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2 hours ago, kholt said:

Extremely disappointed to find out they are not using Navigraph, and use cost as a reason.  This strongly suggests they are targeting more casual gamers.  People who are seriously invested in flight simulation already have Navigraph.  More to the point however, this is just going to cause all kinds of problems as he even acknowledges.  If a 3rd party airport isn’t up to date, that’s a problem with the 3rd party airport.  Oftentimes there are alternatives.  What he is suggesting is he’s going to make his product bad because of some bad apples in the scenery marketplace.  I can work around bad airport add-ons (including flying in and out of better represented airports if I have to).  What I can’t deal with is a variety of products on different ARINC cycles or worse.

The only way to keep all products in sync is for every product to use Navigraph. Period.  What am I to think when I plan my route in Simbrief, load the charts in Navigraph Charts, and then ATC sends me off on an approach I don’t even have a chart for?

Furthermore, if he’s trying to get data out of the sim, how is that going to work with products like Pro-Sim (and eventually Jeehell FMGS) when these products sit outside the simulation platform and only use that platform for visual depictions outside?  I just don’t see that working at all.

This has now gone from a hour one/day one purchase for me, to an “I’ll wait and see if someone can get it working with Pro-Sim” before I even think about buying it.

you may get some good responses if you post these questions in the Discord, you raise some interesting points

Beyond atc won't control ia traffic at the moment, but atc will speak to other planes or only will speak to the user?

If only speaks to the user is very boring