19 hours ago, virtuali said:

Again: it's should be an OPTION between:

- Real-world adherence, which comes with a chance of confusing instructions. 

- Internal coherence, which means always getting instructions matching the actual visible scenery, which might be less "realistic", but less confusing. With the added bonus it doesn't even need an extra subscription to that data.

I watched a video yesterday by a Beyond ATC dev where he explained what their logic was and what to expect from the program. Before I continue I will state it's great we get that kind of feedback from devs both in video and discussion form as in this thread. 

He stated their clear intent was to provide instructions that matched what you actually saw yourself outside the window as you were taxiing around your favorite strip, regardless of whether it matched the latest airac /navigraph charts. So yes there were using the internal database of both default and addon airports to provide that information and added the caveat that some addons actually include inaccurate information that confuses the issue further. 

So it would seem to me a clearer choice for people between BATC and Say Intensions would be whether you prefer real world accuracy or in sim accuracy. Technically accurate ATC or WYSIWYG. 

Add that decider to the sub vs one off payment choice too and it should be easy to make an informed choice now. 

I use the “Real Taxiways” add-on from Just Flight, which corrects most of the default MSFS airports in the USA and Europe with correct taxiway naming and signage. I presume it would work with any ATC program that is capable of reading taxiway data from the scenery.

Are they actually changing the taxiway data or just changing scenery objects? If it's only objects then it will not help, it's not clear to me.

5 minutes ago, Dusk said:

Are they actually changing the taxiway data or just changing scenery objects? If it's only objects then it will not help, it's not clear to me.

The Real Taxiways product consists of a group of BGL files that override the default taxiway names in the default scenery and also the taxiway sign objects. So yes, it changes both the data and the objects.

Well that sounds promising. Have you used it with BATC and does it resolve some of the 'no taxiway' issues at the airports covered by Real Taxiways?

Might consider a purchase.

38 minutes ago, Dusk said:

Well that sounds promising. Have you used it with BATC and does it resolve some of the 'no taxiway' issues at the airports covered by Real Taxiways?

Might consider a purchase.

I don’t use BATC, but if it reads taxiway names directly from the scenery, it should resolve the correct real world names with Real Taxiways installed. I can say that with RT installed, LittleNavMap shows the correct names at any airport covered by the product.

On 5/10/2024 at 1:46 AM, Sethos said:

Flight Simulation is absolutely my main hobby and I still wouldn't pay $30 a month for just ATC.

Here here. Agree with what you said about the value. No thanks.

Especially if you're really stupid and have several hobbies. Just dropped money on a good 14" bandsaw for resawing hardwdoods...and next month is a 220 outlet install so I can get a better Tig welder in the future...etc.

I honestly was just fine with the default FSX ATC.  It generally got me to where I wanted to go and was also able to do flight following (vfr advisories).  It was basic and really couldn't handle sids/stars but for basic vectors it seemed to work 

All of these new applications suggest to me that Asobo just needs to do a big rewrite of their code.  If FSX could do it in 2006, why can't msfs nearly 20 years later?

P s I too would not spend the money per month just for ATC.  I do my own anyway 😂 

That being said, I could see how it could be worth it to have solid ATC 24/7.

Sounds like the easiest option is to just turn off whichever ATC software you have running as soon as you are cleared to land. 🫣

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

If FSX could do it in 2006, why can't msfs nearly 20 years later?

SubLogic ATP could do back in 1990....😄.  Always got the descent to 10,000 at the proper time and spot-on vectors to the ILS approach.

16 minutes ago, Flic1 said:

SubLogic ATP could do back in 1990....😄.  Always got the descent to 10,000 at the proper time and spot-on vectors to the ILS approach.

And it had an "AI copilot" which was able to perform a complete flight, from take-off to land. In 1990.

I'm obviously biased here, because I took some part in its development, not the original ATP, but its two follow up successors, Airline Simulator and Airline Simulator 2.

Edited May 12, 20242 yr by virtuali

8 hours ago, virtuali said:

And it had an "AI copilot" which was able to perform a complete flight, from take-off to land. In 1990.

I'm obviously biased here, because I took some part in its development, not the original ATP, but its two follow up successors, Airline Simulator and Airline Simulator 2.

Fond memories of many happy hours spent flying AS2. It was such an incredibly well-rounded and groundbreaking product. Thank you! 

livestream pending 

These guys are cooking. With GPT-4o you now have much faster response time, more accurate responses, and the price will be reduced.

Another positive step by SayInentions.AI!