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6 minutes ago, Luis Hernandez said:

That's correct: as soon as I got wrist forces down to a value I liked (by using lighter springs and moving the joystick from the desk to a mount below), it all started feeling natural for me.

With that said.....where did you set your Joystick sensitivity? Mine is now at -30....I think I need than less sensitive because I don't have exact feeling.....


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I use a CH Flightstick Pro joystick with the PMDG 737-600, and I use my right hand to control the plane at all times. However, I had to use my left hand to fly the Airbus A320 in the full motion flight simulator experience that I had a couple of years ago in Manchester. I was concerned that I would struggle to handle it, but that real Airbus sidestick was so smooth and precise that I managed to keep it under control.....even through the checkerboard approach and landing at Kai Tak.

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4 hours ago, cyyzrwy24 said:

I have A TCA, what's the difference....Still on the left...LOL

Actually when the AP comes off on Final I'm controlling the yoke with my left hand and my right hand on the throttles. So, yes, it is basically a similar feel if I had a stick to my left.  


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I was surprised how easy it was to fly the Airbus when I first moved my T16000M to the left side. I built me a somewhat modular rig for all my peripherals and I can mount the T1600M on the left side. Alpha yoke replaces it when flying "yoked" (is that even a word??) aircraft and is mounted centrally with the Bravo permanently on the right side. 

What took some time to adapt to was a Warthog mounted on a long(ish) extension, sitting centrally between my legs. I thought it'd be super precise - which it is - but my right hand and brain weren't. 🙂 Go figure.... I am mostly right handed, but kick my football with the left foot and my left hand goes forward on all tools with long handles. And brooms. 😄

 

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13 hours ago, cianpars said:

I am a little bit ambidextrous and when I took my first RW flight, I had to ask whether I should hold the stick in my left or right hand and was told that if I could use either, It was better to use my right hand as the other controls would be naturally nearer my left.  When I trained on C152s and C172s A lot of my flying was left handed as I was using my right for the throttle or writing down notes, etc.

Everything in real life I do naturally, I use my left hand and everything I was tought to do I do right handed (I was a right hand batsman and a left arm bowler in cricket and naturally throw things with my left and write with ny right). So I am happy with my stick in either hand.

I'm told that this trait is a sign of intelligence 😀

12 hours ago, 109Sqn said:

Likewise. I'm basically right-handed but I often hold a cup in my left hand for instance. Good training in case of some future horrible mishap!

When I played badminton, I would sometimes switch to my left hand - even during a point - to fake out my opponents.😁

Totally agree.🧐🎓

3 hours ago, Jure said:

I was surprised how easy it was to fly the Airbus when I first moved my T16000M to the left side. I built me a somewhat modular rig for all my peripherals and I can mount the T1600M on the left side. Alpha yoke replaces it when flying "yoked" (is that even a word??) aircraft and is mounted centrally with the Bravo permanently on the right side. 

What took some time to adapt to was a Warthog mounted on a long(ish) extension, sitting centrally between my legs. I thought it'd be super precise - which it is - but my right hand and brain weren't. 🙂 Go figure.... I am mostly right handed, but kick my football with the left foot and my left hand goes forward on all tools with long handles. And brooms. 😄

 

I think we should all join a club  LOL! I am left handed with writing, shooting pools, shooting a bow and arrow and shooting a rifle, but on the other hand (quite literally) my right hand is where I am skilfull at all hand held sports like rackets, bats, pistol shooting etc and I can only kick with my right foot. 

Ambidexterity is often used to describe this but it is probably more correct to call it mixed-handedness which is the tendency to use different hands for different tasks.  True ambidexterity is the ability to use either hand to perform the same tasks skillfully. 

I am truly ambidextrous with a paint brush, a broom, a spanner, a screwdriver and many power tools. This extends to mice and joysticks although as with power tools, the 'handedness' that these devices are built with are almost always for right handed people and so not easily mastered with the left.

In my country we drive on the left with steering wheel on the right side of the car, which of course is my daily driver. But I also have a left hand drive Mustang which gave me a few anxious moments when initially learning to drive it. Primarily because of the subconscious desire to drive closer to the centre line where you would normally judge your position on the road. In a left hand drive that could create a serious accident of course so the utmost attention was required to keep the car as far left as practicable (without falling into the ditch) while the desire to drift right had to be strongly suppressed.    

The other thing you will notice with driving a different handed vehicle is that the newbie left hand drive owner will invariably put the wipers on when turning at an intersection rather than the indicators because these controls are swapped. The other newbie automatic reaction is slamming you left hand into the door when reaching for the gear shift lever.

All of these concerns and issues wash away after a few weeks of driving the vehicle but since I drive the Mustang sporadically, I still get those wipers going on a sunny day which is a bit embarrassing!!! 

In my military flying career I saw many pilots conducting upgraded training from Co-pilot to Captain on the C-130, P-3 Orion and the B727. Most had no problems whatsoever but there were a few certainly who exhibited some coordination and spatial judgment issues with crosswind landings and simulated engine out landings.  In the latter, the need to pull sysmetric reverse (that is only 2 and 3 for any simulation of an outboard engine shutdown) seemed to take forever even if it was only a second or so, as they got their brain to 'sort out the indicator from the wiper' as it were. But these initial stumbles were soon got over and those pilots who landed well as a right seater would soon be landing well from the left seat. The opposite was also true in that those moving to the left seat didn't seem to improve on their less finessed right hand seat landings which just went to show that changing seats is more about muscle memory and practice than ambidexterity or mixed handedness.

 Now, you'll have to excuse me but I'm off to Flanders Leftorium to fulfil my ultimate ambidextrous desires :).  

 

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7 hours ago, Jure said:

I am mostly right handed, but ... my left hand goes forward on all tools with long handles. And brooms. 😄
 

By that 'rule', you would play ice hockey with a left hook stick. Unfortunately, being in the UK, I learned to play with a 'righty', partly because that's how most Brits learned at the time (dominant hand low/forward on the shafts), partly because most sticks imported to the UK were righties, probably because they were easier (possibly cheaper) to source from North America than the more highly demanded lefties.  One of my coaches did try to switch me to a leftie once. Once! Big mistake! 😆  

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All over place here...naturally Right-Handed but Left-shooting Hockey, Right Golf (although, Feel comfortable Putting Left as well), Right Hitting Baseball, Left Kicking.😉

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23 hours ago, TomCYYZ said:

Honeycomb Alpha for me...I wish you hadn't brought this up, I feel like I'm cheating now! 😉

I am in that boat with you then Tom LOL,

Since getting my TCA yoke I tend to use that in the Fenix even though I have a TCA side stick as well 


 

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On 5/20/2024 at 6:17 PM, regis9 said:

My whole setup is pretty much a right seat setup.  The origin is my thrustmaster warthog which is right handed, and my setup evolved around that.  Now throttles are always on the left.

Maybe someday I’ll make Captain! 🙂

I started out with a Warthog setup with right hand on stick. For the last months I've been using TM Airbus sidestick (left hand) and TQ on right side. I haven't thought about how it would be to use right hand on stick again - perhaps my landing skills would improve dramatically, who knows? 

EDIT: Many years ago in my PPL days I used left hand on yoke, so that may still be stored somwhere in "muscle memory"...

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1 hour ago, TomCYYZ said:

All over place here...naturally Right-Handed but Left-shooting Hockey, Right Golf (although, Feel comfortable Putting Left as well), Right Hitting Baseball, Left Kicking.😉

Right handed, right handed hockey, right handed everything else .Real aircraft flying , left hand on yoke. Sim flying, right hand on joystick. 

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...On a similar note and regardless of control layout how about direction of turn?, almost everyone makes a turn in one direction better than the other direction (smooth, in Balance, altitude maintained), not just in flying either its the same riding a bike everyone is biased one way or the other (I believe left turns for the majority)

Its a human thing

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On 5/20/2024 at 4:10 PM, cyyzrwy24 said:

With that said.....where did you set your Joystick sensitivity? Mine is now at -30....I think I need than less sensitive because I don't have exact feeling.....

I think I never touched that: I use FSUIPC for calibrating my controls (as in all my sims since FS9). But, because you asked, I double checked: all my stick sensitivities and dead zones (for pitch, roll and also yaw) are at 0%. Neutrals are also at 0%, while reactivities are set at 100%.

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17 hours ago, Lonesome Cowboy Burt said:

riding a bike everyone is biased one way or the other (I believe left turns for the majority)

Which is why ice rinks generally operate an anti-clockwise system for skaters* and velodrome are also anti-clockwise.

*When starting to play hockey, I would go to quiet skating sessions (often afternoons with me the only one on the ice for most or all of it) and would make a point of skating clockwise to make it feel more natural. I would see teammates and opponents who were clearly weaker at skating the 'wrong' way,even if they had years more experience than me.

Cycling, as comfortable as I am turning left or right, leaning into a left turn still feels more natural, if only subconsciously. Incidentally, if I lean in too much and scrape my pedal on the ground while pedalling, it's more likely to be the left, presumably due to the in-built extra confidence I have when leaning left.

With the Airbus side stick, I adapted almost immediately, but if I had a centrally mounted joystick, I would likely find myself using my right hand unless I made a point of putting the throttle to my right.

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2 hours ago, 109Sqn said:

Which is why ice rinks generally operate an anti-clockwise system for skaters* and velodrome are also anti-clockwise.

*When starting to play hockey, I would go to quiet skating sessions (often afternoons with me the only one on the ice for most or all of it) and would make a point of skating clockwise to make it feel more natural. I would see teammates and opponents who were clearly weaker at skating the 'wrong' way,even if they had years more experience than me.

Cycling, as comfortable as I am turning left or right, leaning into a left turn still feels more natural, if only subconsciously. Incidentally, if I lean in too much and scrape my pedal on the ground while pedalling, it's more likely to be the left, presumably due to the in-built extra confidence I have when leaning left.

With the Airbus side stick, I adapted almost immediately, but if I had a centrally mounted joystick, I would likely find myself using my right hand unless I made a point of putting the throttle to my right.

Yep whilst it varies by degree I don't think anyone has absolute symmetry in there physical actions and responses.

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