5 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Did they implement VNAV yet?

No.  I own both sets (and now the freighter) because my single hobby that I spend on is Simulation Object Collection. Airports, planes, utilities…anything that catches my interest and if my simulation budget will allow.

So I bought the 170/175 early on, then when released the 190/195 I got that too.  I bought them hoping for constant development and improvement much like FSW has done with the C414 Chancellor and the Learjet 35.  Both offered as “Early Access” and they now, in released form, are quite spectacular and well thought of by most.  In that context I find that the FSS product offerings could not be more diametrically the opposite of FSW if they tried.  Where FSW shows constant valuable and measurable improvements and progress towards the final product, FSS seems to be in a land where progress and measurable value are not so important.  TBH, I have all three of their Tecnams and while released as a finished product, and each ok in their own way, there is a continual two steps forward and one step back cadence to their development process that does not inspire confidence.  Many patches have been issued but they sometimes break core functions like AP and NAV

Thats all I will say.  What else CAN I say as I own all of their products LoL 😂 

-B

Edited May 31, 20242 yr by btacon

4 minutes ago, btacon said:

No.  I own both sets (and now the freighter) because my single hobby that I spend on is Simulation Object Collection. Airports, planes, utilities…anything that catches my interest and if my simulation budget will allow.

So I bought the 170/175 early on, then when released the 190/195 I got that too.  I bought them hoping for constant development and improvement much like FSW has done with the C414 Chancellor and the Learjet 35.  Both offered as “Early Access” and they now, in released form, are quite spectacular and well thought of by most.  In that context I find that the FSS product offerings could not be more diametrically the opposite of FSW if they tried.  Where FSW shows constant valuable and measurable improvements and progress towards the final product, FSS seems to be in a land where progress and measurable value are not so important.  TBH, I have all three of their Tecnams and while released as a finished product, and each ok in their own way, there is a continual two steps forward and one step back cadence to their development process that does not inspire confidence.  Many patches have been issued but they sometimes break core functions like AP and NAV

Thats all I will say.  What else CAN I say as I own all of their products LoL 😂 

-B

I own 170/175, but I haven't checked progress of their updates. Most of the time log shows some "mickey mouse" issue or improvement. 

1 hour ago, btacon said:

No.  I own both sets (and now the freighter) because my single hobby that I spend on is Simulation Object Collection. Airports, planes, utilities…anything that catches my interest and if my simulation budget will allow.

So I bought the 170/175 early on, then when released the 190/195 I got that too.  I bought them hoping for constant development and improvement much like FSW has done with the C414 Chancellor and the Learjet 35.  Both offered as “Early Access” and they now, in released form, are quite spectacular and well thought of by most.  In that context I find that the FSS product offerings could not be more diametrically the opposite of FSW if they tried.  Where FSW shows constant valuable and measurable improvements and progress towards the final product, FSS seems to be in a land where progress and measurable value are not so important.  TBH, I have all three of their Tecnams and while released as a finished product, and each ok in their own way, there is a continual two steps forward and one step back cadence to their development process that does not inspire confidence.  Many patches have been issued but they sometimes break core functions like AP and NAV

Thats all I will say.  What else CAN I say as I own all of their products LoL 😂 

-B

I understand your frustration, but they were well up front with their early purchase option, say that it was a long work in progress. Unless you're a software programming genesis, it takes time and $$ to get any study level AC to market. I purchased the 170 packages early on to support them and, in my opinion, they been living up to what they're trying to achieve. And keeping their customers informed on what's going on with the progress of the E-Jets. The C414 is nowhere comparison to what they are trying to do with the E-Jets.

6 hours ago, monica6211 said:

Don't feel bad. I thought I had both, but it turns out I don't have either. I have the E190 that is offered in the Marketplace, which I am sure isn't of the same quality as these. So I will need to buy both of these as well.🙁😁

You won't be sorry. Their much better than what's offered on the marketplace.

On 5/31/2024 at 9:36 AM, monica6211 said:

Don't feel bad. I thought I had both, but it turns out I don't have either. I have the E190 that is offered in the Marketplace, which I am sure isn't of the same quality as these. So I will need to buy both of these as well.🙁😁

I like these planes. I am not sure why everyone is so "complainy" about the VNAV.  Most planes do just fine wth VS or IAS mode. Regardless, their 17x's fill a good void for me.

On 5/31/2024 at 2:36 PM, btacon said:

No.  I own both sets (and now the freighter) because my single hobby that I spend on is Simulation Object Collection. Airports, planes, utilities…anything that catches my interest and if my simulation budget will allow.

So I bought the 170/175 early on, then when released the 190/195 I got that too.  I bought them hoping for constant development and improvement much like FSW has done with the C414 Chancellor and the Learjet 35.  Both offered as “Early Access” and they now, in released form, are quite spectacular and well thought of by most.  In that context I find that the FSS product offerings could not be more diametrically the opposite of FSW if they tried.  Where FSW shows constant valuable and measurable improvements and progress towards the final product, FSS seems to be in a land where progress and measurable value are not so important.  TBH, I have all three of their Tecnams and while released as a finished product, and each ok in their own way, there is a continual two steps forward and one step back cadence to their development process that does not inspire confidence.  Many patches have been issued but they sometimes break core functions like AP and NAV

Thats all I will say.  What else CAN I say as I own all of their products LoL 😂 

-B

To be fair to them, not you: FSW has been around in the MSFS crowd (and other sims) for a long time. Their 414 was released a long time ago in comparison. Their learjet still doesnt have a manual. Just as an example. These are planes they've made in the past from other sims. FSS has none of these.

FSS is doing a pretty good job all things considered. The Embraer line up is a different beast altogether. So far they're doing a decent job.

For now VS and IAS doing a good enough job for most birds that dont have vnav yet.

The FSW team had a lot more time in terms of development for several years and this current sim. I would give FSS a bit of a chance

58 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

To be fair to them, not you:

To be fair to you, I give not a whit what you think of my opinion of FSS.  You have already proven you have no desire to be fair.

58 minutes ago, Sonosusto said:

he FSW team had a lot more time in terms of development for several years and this current sim. I would give FSS a bit of a chance

Thanks for the advice.  Gonna pass tho and fly my FSW Lear 35 for awhile and marvel how a single developer can make such exceptional aircraft.

-B

I like the FSS E-Jet series.  Its still a work in progress but has come a long ways now but still has further to go before its feature complete.  Its taking a long while but then again it is taking many developers a long while these days.  At some point I sort of expect things to blossom and we get a constant flow of aircraft every month and if what you want is not out yet it will be along soon but we have not reached that point yet.  With FS2024 on the horizon it will probably be at some point after that release that we truly start getting a nice steady flow of aircraft.

I hope FSS eventually does the E2 versions and them doing it would be logical but I think I they had mentioned somewhere its not planned because of lack of data on the new model.  Maybe eventually!   

3 hours ago, Sonosusto said:

To be fair to them, not you: FSW has been around in the MSFS crowd (and other sims) for a long time. Their 414 was released a long time ago in comparison. Their learjet still doesnt have a manual. Just as an example. These are planes they've made in the past from other sims. FSS has none of these.

FSS is doing a pretty good job all things considered. The Embraer line up is a different beast altogether. So far they're doing a decent job.

For now VS and IAS doing a good enough job for most birds that dont have vnav yet.

The FSW team had a lot more time in terms of development for several years and this current sim. I would give FSS a bit of a chance

The biggest issue is that it uses the default LNAV code... 

I can figure out the vertical stuff, but it rings hollow when their devs say "just divide by 5" and the issue is that if I get assigned an approach mid-STAR (so... all the time), it'll dump out the entire flight plan.

Why could they not use WT code? It was out for over a year when this released.

They're in over their head, big time. Currently they're estimating MCDU will come in September? Maybe? If you read between the lines on their most recent changelog and preview it certainly sounds like September at the earliest. Two years after the product was released. Two years after this was presented like it was a mature product.

11 hours ago, btacon said:

To be fair to you, I give not a whit what you think of my opinion of FSS.  You have already proven you have no desire to be fair.

Thanks for the advice.  Gonna pass tho and fly my FSW Lear 35 for awhile and marvel how a single developer can make such exceptional aircraft.

-B

sorry, but i didn't mean to sound offensive. sorry if it offended you.

But seriously....all of you should calm down a bit on here. Sometimes these forums/threads get too spicy over nothing.

FSS makes decent stuff, they limited experience in comparison and so far are doing pretty well. I do wish they finished vnav etc before adding the larger jets but oh well.

9 hours ago, mspencer said:

The biggest issue is that it uses the default LNAV code... 

I can figure out the vertical stuff, but it rings hollow when their devs say "just divide by 5" and the issue is that if I get assigned an approach mid-STAR (so... all the time), it'll dump out the entire flight plan.

Why could they not use WT code? It was out for over a year when this released.

They're in over their head, big time. Currently they're estimating MCDU will come in September? Maybe? If you read between the lines on their most recent changelog and preview it certainly sounds like September at the earliest. Two years after the product was released. Two years after this was presented like it was a mature product.

Yeah, I have only encountered a few issues with lateral nav in these planes. I don't remember what happened but I remember it really annoyed me at the time.

Then again, each plane that I own...and I own quite a bit....have their own quirks.

I mean it took pmdg months....months...to figure out the dc6 bugs with oscillation in gps/nav mode. So, I think I will give FSS some leeway considering how relatively new they are to simming in comparison.

Yeah, but if your plane cant track laterally then you're gonna have problems.

Curious, was this with any other gps-related mods (tds, pms etc) out of curiosity?

On 5/31/2024 at 6:03 PM, Bigmack said:

Finally got it downloaded and installed. Now when I tried to usr it in FS, It ask for the serial number again to activate it. I entered the seial number, now get error message saying activation failed. Check my internet connection. What the hell does that mean, my internet connection is fine.

Did you find a solution to this problem?

1 hour ago, BjornarSH said:

Did you find a solution to this problem?

This is caused by a bug introduced in SU15.

Try hitting ESC then 'restart flight' to see if that works.  If not, contact FSS support.

On 6/3/2024 at 11:01 AM, Sonosusto said:

sorry, but i didn't mean to sound offensive. sorry if it offended you.

But seriously....all of you should calm down a bit on here. Sometimes these forums/threads get too spicy over nothing.

FSS makes decent stuff, they limited experience in comparison and so far are doing pretty well. I do wish they finished vnav etc before adding the larger jets but oh well.

I think you have to understand that FSS did no favors to themselves when they marketed this "early release" product. As we explore and learn how to become better simmers and establish our preferences certain features become more important and the presence or lack thereof of them influences purchasing decisions. At the beginning of MSFS2020 when there wasn't much going on I'm sure FSS would have been embraced by everyone who had no idea about how to use VNAV added to the fact that there was no aircraft available with the full VNAV feature set. Then over time we had PMDG,FENIX, WT, INIBUILDS and FBW demonstrate that although hard, it can be done. So here we are at the genesis of MSFS2024 and more people are informed and want to use most if not all the navigational  and systems feature sets that are supposed to be in the aircraft as advertised and there seems to be no progress.  I think that's where the annoyance is coming from. Further to that, they add another product instead of spending resources on finding a programmer to finish the feature set on the current product. The optics .. (for me at least) evaluating whether to give them my money doesn't look good. Same for Bluebird simulations. I feel horrible for criticizing Sherv but announcing a new project when the current one isn't even out the door seems ... premature.

Hopefully FSS are able to wrap their heads around this issue and get their product done right. IF not, i personally cant trust them to give them my money early for any follow up product. For me a Dev has to have established a history of following through on this platform and considering that the sim was released in 2020 there wasn't much of a history available so for me all products will be evaluated on release.

Edited June 25, 20241 yr by Maxis

But lack of vnav is really not that big of a deal for me. that's probably why I dont care as much. I llve flying older birds that don't even have that option and most of what you do is achieved with VS or ias. I think this is more fun.

it all boils down to what you want but this thread and the people in it get way too defensive and childish over a virtual flying video game.