Much of the disappointment and expectations probably originate from the atmospheric and weather experience during the 1st year of MSFS2020. The whole look and feel of the air we fly in has been shattered with the introduction of the accurate METAR information and associated changes in the presentation and dynamics of the weather systems and their clouds. The part of the community which appreciates realistic representation of weather and its interaction with the aircraft has been anticipating major changes that would bring the original implementation back, with the improvements regarding the real world surface airport data agreement.

I'm not ready to reach any conclusion because MS has said very little about weather in 2024 outside of tornadoes and promising clouds won't look ugly on the wish list. Also, and I could be wrong about this but I don't think we've seen one second of 2024's live weather implementation yet

13 minutes ago, MarcG said:

What if the realistic rescue activities start you off in the mess room, an alarm goes off and you run your avatar down through the hanger to the plane for a cold & dark start whilst the rescue mission pops up on the tablet....and that's just the start. 

Dreaming perhaps, but that would be very cool.

the trailers seem to imply there will be cutscenes of your pilot going to your aircraft.

 

  

20 minutes ago, turbomax said:

just not the primary focus of a private GA or airline pilot.

One of the careers in 2024 is a commercial airline pilot based off this trailer.

Edited June 13, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

43 minutes ago, turbomax said:

not necessarily blind, perhaps just not interested in career mode, realistic rescue activities no matter how advanced and how developed by professionals, just not the primary focus of a private GA or airline pilot.

Well then it's good that MSFS 2024 will also cater to private GA and airline pilots and free-form flight! Like MSFS 2020 already does 🙂  It might be hard to grasp this concept for some, especially those who're used to legacy sims, but with a team big enough (i.e. 250+), and the deep pockets of a ginourmous software company (i.e. MS), it really is possible to focus on and improve multiple areas of flight and aviation simulation, without needing to compromise on one or another. Neat isn't it 🙂

Yet another direct-from-the-horse's-mouth clarification one would be well advised to read every time a fear comes over you that serious GA or airline pilots are being neglected:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs2024-november-19th-2024/644877/278
Hi folks,

In the panel at FSExpo last year 3, Jorg and Seb said that there were three main focus areas for improvement in MSFS2024. Just because they introduced them as Focus Areas 1-3 in their PowerPoint deck doesn’t imply that one is of greater importance than the other two. All three are equally important.

The three focus areas are adding the new Aviation Activity System, improving the Core Sim & Technology (including the physics and aerodynamics engine, aircraft systems, avionics, and more), and improving the Digital Twin (Static World, Dynamic World, and Living World).

Thanks,
MSFS Team

My advice: keep reading and looking at what they're actually saying/showing and already said/shown at FS Expo'23 (and not just this latest 2 minute trailer).. and then listen/see to whatever extra info they provide between now and release date.. and then get the sim in your hands.. and *then* shout and scream as needed  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
 

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5 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

That's my advice, keep reading and looking at what they're actually saying

The problem is they've said a lot of things in Q&As about the current Sim and we're still in limbo waiting for those things to happen, so you can't blame people for not believing everything that comes out of Jorg  Neumann's mouth.

Anything they've said is purely marketing hype up to this point, every game company does it, but it's upto individuals to believe what will actually come to fruition. 

18 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

That's my advice, keep reading and looking at what they're actually saying

The problem is they've said a lot of things in Q&As about the current Sim and we're still in limbo waiting for those things to happen, so you can't blame people for not believing everything that comes out of Jorg  Neumann's mouth.

Anything they've said is purely marketing hype up to this point, every game company does it, but it's upto individuals to believe what will actually come to fruition. 

 

Edit: Sceptical, that's the word I was looking for!

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10 minutes ago, MarcG said:

The problem is they've said a lot of things in Q&As about the current Sim and we're still in limbo waiting for those things to happen, so you can't blame people for not believing everything that comes out of Jorg  Neumann's mouth.

Anything they've said is purely marketing hype up to this point, every game company does it, but it's upto individuals to believe what will actually come to fruition. 

I realize you always like to take digs at what they're saying and Jorg especially 😂 and that's fine. And yes no need to believe *everything* they say, but it's also the case that there's a bunch of stuff they said they'll do and have done in the past 3+ years of SUs, AAUs, WUs, etc.

And going by the advice of not believing everything they say/show until the sim is in our hands (which is of course very prudent), then the same applies to the trailer and not immediately believing only what's shown there will be in the sim.

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Just now, lwt1971 said:

I realize you always like to take digs at what they're saying and Jorg especially 😂 and that's fine. And yes no need to believe *everything* they say, but it's also the case that there's a bunch of stuff they said they'll do and have done in the past 3+ years of SUs, AAUs, WUs, etc.

And going by the advice of not believing everything they say until the sim is in our hands (which is of course very prudent), then the same applies to the trailer and not immediately believing only what's shown there will be in the sim.

Because he doesn't walk on water like a few of you here believe he does 🤣 still waiting for the VR news he spoke about in 2021, that never came and just once it's though to lose trust, it didn't take much (still waiting on the DLSS Blurry screen update as well whilst I think of it.

Anyway I totally agree no one should be getting their knickers in a twist over any trailer, but people are free to vent their concerns regardless of they have them, no matter what has "been said".

7 minutes ago, MarcG said:

Because he doesn't walk on water like a few of you here believe he does 🤣 still waiting for the VR news he spoke about in 2021, that never came and just once it's though to lose trust, it didn't take much (still waiting on the DLSS Blurry screen update as well whilst I think of it.

Naa, those of us who don't seem to get triggered by him (or his smiles) are just prudent enough to take everything with a grain of salt, and judge whatever he says vs what's been actually done (also of course along with Seb and others). That doesn't then therefore mean we think "he walks on water" 🙂 And when we laud him for the actual great things he's done to bring MSFS to where it's at now, it also doesn't mean we think he walks on water.
 

Edited June 13, 20241 yr by lwt1971

Just now, lwt1971 said:

I realize you always like to take digs at what they're saying and Jorg especially 😂 and that's fine. And yes no need to believe *everything* they say, but it's also the case that there's a bunch of stuff they said they'll do and have done in the past 3+ years of SUs, AAUs, WUs, etc.

And going by the advice of not believing everything they say until the sim is in our hands (which is of course very prudent), then the same applies to the trailer and not immediately believing only what's shown there will be in the sim.

Because he doesn't walk on water like a few of you here believe he does 🤣 still waiting for the VR news he spoke about in 2021, that never came and just once it's though to lose trust, it didn't take much (still waiting on the DLSS Blurry screen update as well whilst I think of it.

Anyway I totally agree no one should be getting their knickers in a twist over any trailer, but people are free to vent their concerns regardless of they have them, no matter what has "been said".

4 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Naa, those of us who don't seem to get triggered by him (or his smiles) are just prudent enough to take everything with a grain of salt, and judge by whatever he says vs what's been actually done (also of course along with Seb and others). That doesn't then therefore mean we think "he walks on water" 🙂 
 

He's made mistakes as well as making a fantastic simulator, I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend everything's brilliant when there's clearly issues and yes, therefore I don't believe everything he says 🙂

 

5 minutes ago, MarcG said:

but people are free to vent their concerns regardless of they have them

It's tiresome though when the same concerns keep being regurgitated, usually by the same few posters.

Remember the concerns over MS introducing subscription pricing for streaming ortho scenery and PG?

That theory was again brought up fairly recently, even though it's thoroughly debunked 4 years on.

We cannot know how detailed anything will be in MSFS2024 for sure, especially not based off a two minute-long trailer. However, the FSExpo presentation last year and some of the development updates give us a clue until more is revealed in 9 days' time.

6 minutes ago, MarcG said:

 I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend everything's brilliant when there's clearly issues

Good on you for doing that.. those of us not lighting our hair on fire (like some around here, not you), or those of us not easily triggered by Jorg and constantly dumping on him for not addressing specific pet issues, *also* are able to see that not everything is brilliant (without having to bury our heads in the sand). "Everything's brilliant" is an impossibility and the perfect sim.. ain't never gonna get that.

Edited June 13, 20241 yr by lwt1971

2 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

It's tiresome though when the same concerns keep being regurgitated, usually by the same few posters.

Remember the concerns over MS introducing subscription pricing for streaming ortho scenery and PG?

That theory was again brought up fairly recently, even though it's thoroughly debunked 4 years on.

We cannot know how detailed anything will be in MSFS2024 for sure, especially not based off a two minute-long trailer. However, the FSExpo presentation last year and some of the development updates give us a clue until more is revealed in 9 days' time.

That's internet forums, it's usually the same people saying the same things. With regards to MSFS2024 it stems from a lack of actual information on the game, once more comes out then discussions will move on. Essentially we've just had two trailers and a bit of info last year, there's not much at all to go on and that itself causes speculation that gets overblown 

Again same thing happens with most hyped up games so it's nothing new, but in terms of flight simulation perhaps it is a bit new so it comes as a surprise to some I dunno!

2 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

It's tiresome though when the same concerns keep being regurgitated, usually by the same few posters.

Remember the concerns over MS introducing subscription pricing for streaming ortho scenery and PG?

That theory was again brought up fairly recently, even though it's thoroughly debunked 4 years on.

We cannot know how detailed anything will be in MSFS2024 for sure, especially not based off a two minute-long trailer. However, the FSExpo presentation last year and some of the development updates give us a clue until more is revealed in 9 days' time.

That's internet forums, it's usually the same people saying the same things. With regards to MSFS2024 it stems from a lack of actual information on the game, once more comes out then discussions will move on. Essentially we've just had two trailers and a bit of info last year, there's not much at all to go on and that itself causes speculation that gets overblown 

Again same thing happens with most hyped up games so it's nothing new, but in terms of flight simulation perhaps it is a bit new so it comes as a surprise to some I dunno!