So what’s the big news today?

[lwt1971]

16 hours ago, YVR_23 said:

Maybe the inibuilds A350???

They won't be showing anything at FS Expo but will give a development update on the A350 in July... recent posts by ini re: the A350/A380/etc on discord:

Q: Will IniBuilds present something of the A350 at the FS Expo?
A: We do not have an official presence at expo this year. More info will come in the update next month

Q: Will the July update include information about the A380?
A: The focus will be the A350. Some work on the A350 is by relation also work on the A380, stuff like BTV, OANS etc. Not to say that they will feature in the update, but just to say that almost any update on the A350 is by proxy an update on the A380

Re: timeline they are still on track per their initial announcement, A350 is first priority on track for release before end of this year, A380 afterwards.
 

[bobcat999]

1 hour ago, Farlis said:

Here we see the a good example of what we have talked about just the other day in the Citation Thread.

Simmers have this strange tendency of wanting things "Interesting". Flying aircraft that you don't fly single pilot in real life is not enough for many of them, they need switches to flick and courses to dial in.

Whereas in real life, pilots want their life to be as easy as possible so that they can concentrate on hand flying the thing on approach looking out of the window without having to think about power management and oil temperatures and hoping that the vacuum pumps for the intrumenst won't fail.

 

So give me glass cockpits with automation for single pilot operation any day over trying to simulate 60 year old aircraft that were much less reliable and much less safe to fly and that needed 3 or even more people operating them.

Sure.  You do you.  There is no wrong, just different opinions. 

The sim need all kinds of aircraft to cater for everyone if possible, there just seems to be a shortage or retro jets at the moment. 
DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, Convair 880 / 990, B707 (one coming at least), B737-200 as mentioned, Tristar, BAC-111, VC-10, Trident, Mercure, Caravelle, and of course the first jet airliner, the Comet.  Probably never see all of them, but a few would be nice.

I understand the bias towards the new / current airliners though, as they are what people see around and actually fly on for holidays etc.  So, let the kids have them if they want them!  

[UAL4life]

15 hours ago, Wise87 said:

I don't see this changing anything with PMDG. Bluebird has been working the 757 for 3 years and still haven't given any indications or hints on a release year, at least I haven't seen one. From all the planes and expansions they have on the list, PMDG will have already released the 777, Max, and 747 products before we see Bluebird is even ready for 787 development. At least with a PMDG product we know what were getting. Bluebird is still unknown. 

Exactly. I love their passion but they have serious feature creep.

 

They should be focusing on releasing a workable aircraft not simulating the degrees the passenger cabin gets if it’s .5 percent more humid outside. We don’t need every little fuse simulated. 

[sloppysmusic]

11 minutes ago, UAL4life said:

They should be focusing on releasing a workable aircraft not simulating the degrees the passenger cabin gets if it’s .5 percent more humid outside. We don’t need every little fuse simulated. 

Fully agree. It's not that the bar is set too high it's in the wrong place. Sadly, to me, the 'market' seem to care more about passengers, cabins, airport terminals, fancy engine diagnostics , EFBs that will soon be able to watch Netflix , etc etc rather than just building a darn plane that flies through the air like the real thing.

Flight model

Ground handling

Accurate working cockpit avionics

Realistic sound design.

Good internal/external texture work.

Add the fluff on later in updates. Did I miss anything?

😄

[hs118]

4 hours ago, MarcG said:

That looks very neat but I did notice the caption "Full External Flight Model", is this devs losing faith in the MSFS flight model so having to do their own? Would've thought with advances from Asobo going forwards with MSFS2024 plus the inclusion of Andrey Petrovich that external flight models would become a thing of the past 🤔

With the T-6A, I suspect it is more a matter of depth of simulation. According to BB/Milviz, this is the same model that is being sold to USAF as their personal simulator. Each student aviator is given a copy as part of the training. All systems are supposedly identical to the real world aircraft, probably something more difficult to do with the existing (and generalized) MSFS functionality. Likely quicker and more thorough to do all this with external programming.

[ianb2469]

11 hours ago, Greazer said:

I hope we get an update from Black Square. Including a possible roadmap with what is planned.

What I really want is the Black Square Boeing 737-400

Is such a thing even on the horizon? I’d LOVE that. 

[richbonneau]

15 hours ago, Peter Z KCLE_EDDN said:

I’d love a study level 727. I still love old iron, particularly if it’s as old as me 😜. However, I’m kind of hesitant to buy from FSS as their RJ has been in public beta for 1 1/2 years. 
 

The 727 is not early release - it will be feature complete when launched.

[Pat Mussotte]

1 hour ago, ianb2469 said:

Is such a thing even on the horizon? I’d LOVE that. 

I'm way more excited by their upcoming Starship! I'm fed up by the 737 and busses! I want to support devs who work on seldom or never developed  airplanes.

[BIGSKY]

Just watched XP72 live stream on PMDG777, someone stated in audience, that MD11 will release July 3rd.

 

[atco]

1 minute ago, BIGSKY said:

Just watched XP72 live stream on PMDG777, someone stated in audience, that MD11 will release July 3rd.

 

MD11 releasing on 2nd July

[UrgentSiesta]

8 hours ago, MarcG said:

 I did notice the caption "Full External Flight Model", is this devs losing faith in the MSFS flight model so having to do their own? Would've thought with advances from Asobo going forwards with MSFS2024 plus the inclusion of Andrey Petrovich that external flight models would become a thing of the past 🤔

No, it's more their familiarity & existing code base of having already developed multiple EFMs for Prepar3D.

All of their ADV / Advanced addons had EFMs, IIRC (the T-38A & C, the two F-4's, etc.).

Much like A2A Sims have done with their AccuSim upgrade for MSFS.

Most of the devs for MSFS either come from the Old School ESP/FSX/P3D, or they're so new to dev that they haven't quite figured out how to make CFD/NPS/SBS run as intended. And in fairness, Asobo are themselves still getting things in order there.

I'd say things are fine - and given my experience with BlackBird nee MilViz ADV and A2A addons, I don't really care how they do it. 🙂

 

[UrgentSiesta]

10 hours ago, Flying-Hare said:

T6A Looks solid. I'll probably buy it after the update. A good choice for VR

If it's as good as their ADV addons for P3D were back in the day, it'll likely be one of my most frequently flown addons. 🙂

[UrgentSiesta]

6 hours ago, Farlis said:

Here we see the a good example of what we have talked about just the other day in the Citation Thread.

Simmers have this strange tendency of wanting things "Interesting". Flying aircraft that you don't fly single pilot in real life is not enough for many of them, they need switches to flick and courses to dial in.

Whereas in real life, pilots want their life to be as easy as possible so that they can concentrate on hand flying the thing on approach looking out of the window without having to think about power management and oil temperatures and hoping that the vacuum pumps for the intrumenst won't fail.

 

So give me glass cockpits with automation for single pilot operation any day over trying to simulate 60 year old aircraft that were much less reliable and much less safe to fly and that needed 3 or even more people operating them.

Agreed!

Though I will say I like Steam Gauge cockpits because they're generally easier to learn with everything right there in front of your face. And to your left. And your right. And overhead. And behind you. 🙂

[lwt1971]

16 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

No, it's more their familiarity & existing code base of having already developed multiple EFMs for Prepar3D.

Most of the devs for MSFS either come from the Old School ESP/FSX/P3D, or they're so new to dev that they haven't quite figured out how to make CFD/NPS/SBS run as intended. And in fairness, Asobo are themselves still getting things in order there.

Spot on... those devs who already had a common framework for all their aircraft in previous sims (for systems, FM, etc) are very likely to keep using a similar technique in MSFS (in A2A's case it was extensive re-work of AccuSim for MSFS and also to introduce new capabilities/features over the previous AccuSim). And on the other end of the spectrum are devs like iniBuilds and FSReborn who've fully embraced the new flight dynamics tech in MSFS like CFD. And those inbetween like Fenix and PMDG who use the base FDE as usually done with customizations for their particular aircraft, along with certain parts being overridden which then is kind of like an "external" functionality.

What's key here is the flexibility of the FDE and the tools in the toolbox that the MSFS platform provides so that the aircraft dev can choose their own path of development to flesh out a proper FM. And this is an area that MSFS 2024 is supposed to improve, so waiting to see more info and deep dives (i.e. ability to define proper aicraft geometry, various wing types, multiple surfaces, etc.. something that'll be key to make the development work easier and something like CFD work better).
 

Edited June 22 by lwt1971

[Tuskin38]

Asobo's 2024 presentation is in 4 hours.

 

Edited June 22 by Tuskin38