Just for the records: Huge pricedrop for Sayintentions.AI

19,95 $ / mo

18,50 € / mo

195 $ / year

185 € / year

and of course for the german people: 

 

 

which is unfortunately still twice Navigraph or Microsoft game pass, and as such probably beyond what most users are willing to spend. maybe FSexpo 2025: we have reduced the price down to 9.99 😃

That makes it a lot more affordable and worth it, to be honest. That said, the fact that even after three months you can hardly fly an IFR flight without serious issues only affirms my convintion that the decision to make a roleplaying ChatGPT an ATC controller is a failure. I don't see any progress in that regard, it's the same bugs over and over and over again appearing on the support channels and either Brian saying "It's fixed now" or some workaround being proposed (like "Just ask for further descent when it forgets you").

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

That makes it a lot more affordable and worth it, to be honest. That said, the fact that even after three months you can hardly fly an IFR flight without serious issues only affirms my convintion that the decision to make a roleplaying ChatGPT an ATC controller is a failure. I don't see any progress in that regard, it's the same bugs over and over and over again appearing on the support channels and either Brian saying "It's fixed now" or some workaround being proposed (like "Just ask for further descent when it forgets you").

I remember it was either the founder, or one of the high level partners of the BeyondATC team, that explained why they didn't go with ChatGPT and went with scripting ATC instead was because ChatGPT had so many quirks if it's used as an ATC engine: https://youtu.be/EG4JAPqBh4o?si=1tnLNSqfmyYWAWMH&t=683. I can imagine this is because ChatGPT is not specialized for ATC, it's general purpose AI engine. Now if they could specialize, train, and fine tune the ChatGPT engine for ATC only, I'm sure it would be pretty good. But if the SayIntentions team is having all these bug, I assume it's probably because ChatGPT is a general AI engine, rather than an AI engine that specializes in ATC (everything that the BeyondATC founder mentioned in that video about ChatGPT having "quirks" when it's used for ATC).

 

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

4 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

my convintion that the decision to make a roleplaying ChatGPT an ATC controller is a failure. I don't see any progress in that regard, it's the same bugs over and over and over again appearing on the support channels and either Brian saying "It's fixed now" or some workaround being proposed (like "Just ask for further descent when it forgets you").

It may be a confirmation bias but it's exactly my position and what I thought after being in the Beta test of SayIntentions. After months of daily (pro) usage of chat.gpt, Mistral, Copilot, Gemini... etc... I can't stand the "Oups, sorry for my previous answer" and blabla. During the Beta of SI, this was a major flaw: the capacity of the engine to state stupid things. It may have progressed but I'm still reluctant to use this technology. I need more time to believe in it... and believe it's worth 20$/month.

This is interesting feedback because the presentation they showed yesterday at the FS Expo was impressive.  Of course, the devil is always in the details.  

Their website offers a free 24 hour trial.  Is that long enough to tell if these bugs still exist?  BTW..website still has pricing at $30/month

One option is to pay the $20 and if bad don't re-up.  That's a meal at McDonalds these days lol. 

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by knich

scripted atc can be as good and fresh  as ai generated if you using  ai voices because you can generate random scenarios where the atc can be rude o polite in some situations or use different phrases and expressions is just write variety of sentences so dont need use ai to generate the conversations cause atc is just a simple instructions   doesn't need heavy processing, the ai only should be use for voices and ai traffic management 

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by michdb8

The only trouble with scripted AI is that it doesn't always understand you or let you ask whatever you want. For instance, in SI just now, I asked ground to park by the hanger near the bravo taxiway and they understood that and let me do it. I made a flight with BATC the other day and there was a lot that I couldn't say and what I did say had to be the way that they expected it.

Now, that's OK. BATC is great and a major step forward. But personally, I like the more real interaction of non-scripted AI.

14 minutes ago, ricka47 said:

The only trouble with scripted AI is that it doesn't always understand you or let you ask whatever you want. For instance, in SI just now, I asked ground to park by the hanger near the bravo taxiway and they understood that and let me do it. I made a flight with BATC the other day and there was a lot that I couldn't say and what I did say had to be the way that they expected it.

Now, that's OK. BATC is great and a major step forward. But personally, I like the more real interaction of non-scripted AI.

I'm not a real life pilot and the closest experience I have is my time on VATSIM, but would you ask ground to "park by the hangar" in real life? I would think in real life, you must specify an exact ramp location. "Park by the hangar" sounds a little ambiguous?  So isn't being strict a good thing with BeyondATC, because real life is quite strict too (unless it's an emergency situation or something really out of the blue happens)?

Can other real life pilots chime in? For real life pilots, aside from emergency situations and things that happen once in a blue moon, is real life ATC kind of strict and on rails?

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

Does anyone know if you must use the mic or can co-pilot handle ATC communications?

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by knich

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

1) Can other real life pilots chime in?

2) is real life ATC kind of strict and on rails?

yes, we GA pilots can.

not necessarily, and depends on size and complexity of airport. as long as everybody knows what is meant communication can be less stringent. for example, in the evening hours, when traffic was low and Tower and Ground was handled by a single controller and we came home from our 100 $ burger excursion, Tower/Ground would say: "taxi to the ramp" and we would simply request instead "with you to the t-hangars", followed by two mike klicks from the controller to confirm and everybody knew what was requested and mostly no detailed further taxi instructions were required nor issued. at KORD and their 10.000 $ burgers this would be very different 😄, but you normally don't fly there as a GA pilot anyways. and even if you landed "only" at KCGX Meigs, the landing fees doubled your 100$ burger right there.🤣

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by turbomax

Joerg Neumann to Matt Nischan: "Hey Matt, now that you are finished with AAU1, Satya Nadella just called. how about ATC by AI. here is your free access license to our AI servers. see what you can come up with, and make sure you have something to show for MS Expo 2025, we want to include this as a free upgrade for MSFS 2026, AI edition."

Edited June 22, 20241 yr by turbomax

37 minutes ago, knich said:

Does anyone know if you must use the mic or can co-pilot handle ATC communications?

No co-pilot. The developer feels that it doesn't make sense to have AI talking to AI. Although, due to workload sometimes, it would come in handy.

 

1 hour ago, ricka47 said:

The only trouble with scripted AI is that it doesn't always understand you or let you ask whatever you want. For instance, in SI just now, I asked ground to park by the hanger near the bravo taxiway and they understood that and let me do it. I made a flight with BATC the other day and there was a lot that I couldn't say and what I did say had to be the way that they expected it.

Now, that's OK. BATC is great and a major step forward. But personally, I like the more real interaction of non-scripted AI.

Does SayIntentions actually understand what you ask for or does it always allow whatever you want? I wonder, what would happen if you request doing aerobatics over a busy international airport, would it allow that?

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

yes, we GA pilots can.

not necessarily, and depends on size and complexity of airport. as long as everybody knows what is meant communication can be less stringent. for example, in the evening hours, when traffic was low and Tower and Ground was handled by a single controller and we came home from our 100 $ burger excursion, Tower/Ground would say: "taxi to the ramp" and we would simply request instead "with you to the t-hangars", followed by two mike klicks from the controller to confirm and everybody knew what was requested and mostly no detailed further taxi instructions were required nor issued. at KORD andf their 10.000 $ burgers this would be very different 😄, but you normally don't fly there as a GA pilot anyways. and even if you landed "only" at KCGX Meigs, the landing fees doubled your 100$ burger right there.🤣

Thanks @turbomax!  Very insightful response!  I think you are one of the most level headed posters here at Avsim and I enjoy your answers 👍