9 hours ago, Daube said:

it's FSExpo

This is true but did you notice the stunningly unprofessional "oooo I want functional weather radar in 'that other sim' teehehhe" (paraphrased) comment after LR's presentation? That was made by the show MC. LR is a Diamond sponsor of the entire operation. Right up there with Lockheed Martin. Asobo who? The juvenile behavior runs strong. Even moderators of this very website can't adult-up and not mention products of the competition in the XP forums. Go figure.

After the xbox game conferences were all scrapped and asobo was forced into coming to FSexpo to advertise, it became a simzilla parade. To no one's surprise of course. Why would LR show off shiny new things when they would only get overshadowed and put down by the above-described mentality? It was a smart move to keep quiet this year.

1 hour ago, blingthinger said:

This is true but did you notice the stunningly unprofessional "oooo I want functional weather radar in 'that other sim' teehehhe" (paraphrased) comment after LR's presentation? That was made by the show MC. LR is a Diamond sponsor of the entire operation. Right up there with Lockheed Martin. Asobo who? The juvenile behavior runs strong. Even moderators of this very website can't adult-up and not mention products of the competition in the XP forums. Go figure.

After the xbox game conferences were all scrapped and asobo was forced into coming to FSexpo to advertise, it became a simzilla parade. To no one's surprise of course. Why would LR show off shiny new things when they would only get overshadowed and put down by the above-described mentality? It was a smart move to keep quiet this year.

It's a flight sim expo. We want to see everyone there, Developers, P3D, DCS, MSFS, XPlane, Aerofly etc. I love to see what companies are working. It's a place you go to ADVERTISE /promote your products in order to get the flight sim community excited.  If I see something interesting, I will give it a try. If you truly loved flight simulation and not solely dedicated to one sim, you would not sound so bothered. Compared to a few years ago, it is a great time to be a simmer. FSExpo is the one flight simulator event I look forward to every year. Evan said he was the one that initially reached out to MS in order to get them to attend. He mentioned that he has reached out to others like DCS too. 

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by brinx

@blingthinger I'm pretty sure, except for one, most of the floor walks never mentioned laminar or XP, so we know who's paying them.

8 hours ago, brinx said:

As far as I know FS Labs' Concorde hasn't been released yet for MSFS. I didn't hear any news about which platforms will or will not be supported. Even within P3D they are not supporting V6 yet.

It hasn’t but the team have made it clear it just wouldn’t work with the X-Box due to the complexity of its systems. It’s only available for v5 with no plans for v6.

5 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

@blingthinger I'm pretty sure, except for one, most of the floor walks never mentioned laminar or XP, so we know who's paying them.

Who’s paying them?

21 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Btw from these supposedly 15 mio of users, how many are still active? 10%? Like myself many got hyped but have abandoned it long ago. Steams (even if not representative) shows a few thousands users a day. That is extremely low for a game having 15 mio users.

I think your misreading the steam numbers.  

At anyone time there's an average of 7000 people playing it.

With an average play length of 1 and 1/2 hours that equates to 120,000 people a day playing on steam

23 hours ago, Franz007 said:

15 mio of users, how many are still active?

6.000 units sold in 3 minutes of a certain wide body release.
33 units per second.

What is your opinion of that performance? Those are fresh, relevant data, indicating the purchasing power of the userbase right now (excluding your pre-puberty Xbox-gang who lands 747s in Lukla and needs mommy's credit card)

So reverting to your narrative Franz,  PMDG should be disappointed with their 777-release? The users have abandoned the platform. You said it yourself.

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by SAS443

Well so far both blackbox 711 and flightdeck2sim have shown it flies and does some stuff strangely even compared with the unfinished FF777v2, and both seem rather unibiased real world professional airline pilots so I couldn't care less about how many licenses PMDG sells per second... Would rather be able to use those many seconds to enjoy the FF, but I'm not able because they hate me atvthe org and close the sales everytime I arrived there 😕😕😕... 🤪

18 hours ago, brinx said:

Trying to associate xbox to puberty and immature kids, as if only children use consoles.

no VR on XBOX made me mad and sad, such a waste of a great opportunity. Presumably its because the good VR kit is all Vulkan based and that's a no no for XBOX.

Consoles were for kids... 20, 25 years ago. now they span a pretty large age range. 

One of the reasons I cancelled my PS Plus subscription, was every time I had half hour free to play, or some friends came over to use it there was a > 1 hour wait for updates to download just to switch it on. That completely defies the whole point of having dedicated hardware like a console (or an in game store like LR is launching and XBOX has already) - convenience.

Switch on, burn half hour/hour free time - get on with something else - absolutely NO ONE wants to spends hours and hours waiting and faffing to get things working - even those who do. That is especially appropriate to those of us who grew up with consoles, and now are lucky to find a small time slot in the day to escape reality.

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

no VR on XBOX made me mad and sad, such a waste of a great opportunity. Presumably its because the good VR kit is all Vulkan based and that's a no no for XBOX.

It would be a wasted investment in my opinion given the current state of VR Technology. The support of VR is not quite there yet. They stated a few years back that they are not interested until the technology improves further. There are speculations that they would simply partner with meta to add VR support. In fact, they already partnered with meta to create the limited-edition headsets that comes with an xbox controller for xcloud gaming.   

I've read recently that Sony is cutting investment in VR and moving to add support for PSVR on PC in order to boost low VR sales. Even apple found out the hard way, with their headsets. I have meta quest 2, 3 and I only use it with aerofly RC 10 for short sessions. I don't use VR for regular simming because it starts to get hot, and the weight becomes uncomfortable after 20 minutes of use. I hope the technology improves though; I'd like to use it more for simming.

5 hours ago, mSparks said:

Consoles were for kids... 20, 25 years ago. now they span a pretty large age range. 

One of the reasons I cancelled my PS Plus subscription, was every time I had half hour free to play, or some friends came over to use it there was a > 1 hour wait for updates to download just to switch it on. That completely defies the whole point of having dedicated hardware like a console (or an in game store like LR is launching and XBOX has already) - convenience.

I've never experienced an update on my series X in four years of owning. I believe it updates overnight in a low power state. I would assume PlayStation has a similar feature.

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by brinx

8 hours ago, SAS443 said:

What is your opinion of that performance?

I don‘t have an opinion based on a release during the first minutes and have no comparisons with other addons or for example how many they had sold for P3D in the first minutes.

8 hours ago, SAS443 said:

So reverting to your narrative Franz,  PMDG should be disappointed with their 777-release? The users have abandoned the platform. You said it yourself.

You seem confused. Why would PMDG be disappointed? I just said that many users tried MSFS when it came out and don‘t use it anymore. This is based on what I saw on Twitch during the first 2 weeks and after. There were tons and tons of streamers (even many girls) streaming it. After that 80% of them never again streamed it. So yes the total number of sales is not the same as the amount of people still using it actively. Just wake me up when PMDG has sold 15 Mio of copies.

8 hours ago, Theboot100 said:

I think your misreading the steam numbers.  

At anyone time there's an average of 7000 people playing it.

With an average play length of 1 and 1/2 hours that equates to 120,000 people a day playing on steam

Exactly, that‘s 0.8% of users…really huge.

5 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

You seem confused. Why would PMDG be disappointed?

According to you there is mass exodus of users and somehow there is a problem? 

But sales data from pmdg reveals 777 has already outsold the 737NG 2-to-1. And this is just the PC user contingent.

So does MSFS have a problem with lack of users unable to support the ecosystem and its top addon developers? 

You are crying wolf. But there is none to be seen. 

32 minutes ago, SAS443 said:

According to you there is mass exodus of users and somehow there is a problem?

Aehmmm…not really, not sure if you have dreamed or missunderstood me. Can you point me out to where I said there was a „mass-exodus“ of users?

10 hours ago, SAS443 said:

On 6/25/2024 at 2:00 PM, Franz007 said:

15 mio of users, how many are still active?

 

why refer to facts when you can just waffle 🤣 I don't mean you, SAS443.

re. many users leaving the MSFS platform, yeah right:

1 billion flight sessions in total, of which 230 million in just the last 6 months, indicating a steep increase over previous periods.

 

and because all these users are so frustrated 🤣, addon purchases keep increasing. and this is just on marketplace.

 

 

Edited June 26, 20241 yr by turbomax