Hi. I was reading this flight.fandom.com wiki page on MSFS, and according to that wiki page, it claims that "Around 60 percent of Asobo team got their pilot license in the course of making FS2020":

Here is the link to that flight.fandom.com wiki page: https://flight.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_(2020)

Unfortunately, they do not provide the source where they got that information. I know that Seb got his PPL already, and I believe more Asobo employees did learn how to fly in real life, plus Asobo hired some real life pilots to help with testing and collecting data, but I have never heard that 60% of Asobo got their pilot license. That figure seems to be a little high. 

Since this flight.fandom.com wiki page did not provide where they got that information from, does anybody know what the original source for this information is?

Edited June 29, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

That figure seems to be a little high.

a little? it would mean hundreds of new pilot licenses in the city of Bordeaux alone in just 4 years. unrealistic, considering the average french consumes 1/3 bottle of red wine each day. So commonly was it served to children that in 1956 the government banned wine in school canteens—and even then, only for the under-14s. 

2 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

That figure seems to be a little high.

a little? it would mean hundreds of new pilot licenses in the city of Bordeaux alone in just 4 years. unrealistic, considering the average french consumes 1/3 bottle of red wine each day. So commonly was it served to children that in 1956 the government banned wine in school canteens—and even then, only for the under-14s.  and a flight school is not a school canteen.  remember: 8 hours from throttle to bottle. or was it the other way round? hicks. 🤣

Edited June 29, 20241 yr by turbomax

1 hour ago, turbomax said:

a little? it would mean hundreds of new pilot licenses in the city of Bordeaux alone in just 4 years. unrealistic, considering the average french consumes 1/3 bottle of red wine each day. So commonly was it served to children that in 1956 the government banned wine in school canteens—and even then, only for the under-14s.  and a flight school is not a school canteen.  remember: 8 hours from throttle to bottle. or was it the other way round? hicks. 🤣

The alcohol consumption in France is similar to the USA or indeed most countries in Europe nowadays - so this argument won't stand haha.

Source is apparently the following article by Charlie Hall of  Polygon: https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/30/20885197/microsoft-flight-simulator-bing-maps-hands-on-demo 

It dates from September 30th 2019 when Asobo's (core) team for MsFs was undoubtedly much smaller. I presume they might have actively sourced for beginning pilots in order to help them develop the sim. This might explain the almost impossible high percentage of 60%.

16 minutes ago, BrieffiesWF said:

so this argument won't stand haha.

I forgot to mention my argument was a cliche and based on a report from 1956 🤣

"No longer. In 2022 roughly 10% of French people drank wine every day, down from half in 1980. Back in 1960 the French drank an average of 116 litres of everyday wine per person. Between 2000 and 2018 that shrank from 28 litres to just 17. A glass of wine, let alone the once-familiar pichet, is an increasingly rare sight at the lunch table."

https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/03/27/why-the-french-are-drinking-less-wine

16 minutes ago, BrieffiesWF said:

so this argument won't stand haha.

I forgot to mention my argument was a cliche and based on a report from 1956 🤣

"No longer. In 2022 roughly 10% of French people drank wine every day, down from half in 1980. Back in 1960 the French drank an average of 116 litres of everyday wine per person. Between 2000 and 2018 that shrank from 28 litres to just 17. A glass of wine, let alone the once-familiar pichet, is an increasingly rare sight at the lunch table."

https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/03/27/why-the-french-are-drinking-less-wine

At least one of them has got their helicopter license since then as well 

Edited June 29, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

3 hours ago, turbomax said:

a little? it would mean hundreds of new pilot licenses in the city of Bordeaux alone in just 4 years. unrealistic, considering the average french consumes 1/3 bottle of red wine each day. So commonly was it served to children that in 1956 the government banned wine in school canteens—and even then, only for the under-14s.  and a flight school is not a school canteen.  remember: 8 hours from throttle to bottle. or was it the other way round? hicks. 🤣

For each "8 hours from bottle to throttle" there are  "nobody gonna know" LOL

Perhaps they might now understand correct ATC terminology/procedures and translate it to the Sim.

10 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

At least one of them has got their helicopter license since then as well 

Ahh cool, didn't know that.

Anyways @Tuskin38, you didn't hear about this 60% of Asobo getting their pilot license figure, did you? I know you have a pretty good knowledge of MSFS, and I think you watch all the live Twitch Q&As, etc. If there is no legit source to back up this 60% figure, I will assume it is not accurate.

Edited June 30, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

5 hours ago, JustanotherPilot said:

Perhaps they might now understand correct ATC terminology/procedures and translate it to the Sim.

Yes, and maybe understand the proper feel of an aircraft as it breaks away and lifts off from the runway.  It seems even FSX had a better feel. 

I hope they have fixed this in MSFS2024.  We need to be able to feel the aircraft using the air and scrabbling for lift at rotation, not just rotate at the right speed and pop! - up we go. 

55 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes, and maybe understand the proper feel of an aircraft as it breaks away and lifts off from the runway.  It seems even FSX had a better feel. 

I hope they have fixed this in MSFS2024.  We need to be able to feel the aircraft using the air and scrabbling for lift at rotation, not just rotate at the right speed and pop! - up we go. 

So true !!!!

While MSFS surely has some 2nd to no other features, like the World Scenery Coverage like in no other platform I have ever used or even dreamed about being able to use one day, and all for potentially $/€0,00, it lacks in many aspects of flight and systems modelling.

While systems modelling limitations can somehow be bypassed by talented developers, some of them having actually ended up being contracted to integrate the MS / ASOBO teams, flight dynamics can't, really, unless external flight dynamics are used...

Weather modelling, specially in the "effects" area is yet another big limitation of this simulator. We can travel across potential killers like huge CBs ( not very well portrayed graphically anyway... ), icing conditions, etc... without being hit by turbulence and updrafts / downdrafts that would turn an airliner upside down or break it apart... being hit by hail that would open big holes in ou aircraft, like sometimes happens IRL. We can also operate from / to contaminated runways without much problem... 

The overall feel of aircraft, from gliders to airliners, and rotaries, is also something that needs good attention from the dev team at ASOBO. Their airliners behave like kites in ASOBO's strange modelling of up/down drafts and turbulence interaction with the core Flight Dynamics Engine (FDE), and on the ground and unless some really doubtful "patches" are applied to the flight dynamics file, tricking the true effects of x-wind and overcoming the limited modelling of wheel physics, and even with those patches applied like in the default C172, all aircraft feel really unrealistic in different aspects that real world pilots will easily identify...

Rotary wing simulation is surely a step forward from what we had in FSX / P3D but far from adequate in modelling basic rotary wing operations. Autorotation physics are a joke, and yes I've seen Sebastian mentioning to someone at their recent presentation about him being able to do it... Maybe in the default Bell 207 or Cabri where, yes... it can be done due to the Magic Power of their blades in autorotation...

Gliders, which I know well from RL, are yet another example of the limitations of MSFS in terms of flight dynamics, again with their total lack of proper inertia and characteristics of their main feature - a very high aspect ratio... Even so, strangely as it may seem, I do overall prefer their modelling in MSFS 2020 to even the best glider I have tried in X-Plane (any version). At least MSFS 2020 even with it's not so sophisticated flight dynamics model does for instance model fuselage interference / drag in sideslip /... better than X-Plane 12 !!!

Anyway, truth is that 85% of the circumstances where I have to choose where to spend my 30 min flight session among the two, I will pick MSFS 2020 ... It's Gorgeous !!!! 

Edited June 30, 20241 yr by jcomm

I always thought France had a huge alcoholism problem, because I read that in an old book from the early 1960s. Glad to hear they have wised up. The same book said in Italy the alcoholism  rates were very tiny compared to France (in the 1960s).

It said both of those countries drink wine, but in Italy at the table and in France out on the town. The dinner table is a family setting and nobody is showing off, like they do in bars.

BTW, I predict France will win the most gold medals at the Olympics. I make the same pick every year. It never comes true 😞 

Just once in my life I wish France would win the Sevens (Rugby).

Or watch a Napoleon movie and see him gloriously accept Russia's surrender in 1812 😞

To top it all off France VFR airports and scenery are a lot more expensive than it should be.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, BrieffiesWF said:

The alcohol consumption in France is similar to the USA or indeed most countries in Europe nowadays - so this argument won't stand haha.

Source is apparently the following article by Charlie Hall of  Polygon: https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/30/20885197/microsoft-flight-simulator-bing-maps-hands-on-demo 

It dates from September 30th 2019 when Asobo's (core) team for MsFs was undoubtedly much smaller. I presume they might have actively sourced for beginning pilots in order to help them develop the sim. This might explain the almost impossible high percentage of 60%.

Thanks, I see the quote from that article now:

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Around 60 percent of its 100-plus person team got their pilot license in the course of making Microsoft Flight Simulator.

So that's where the source is from.  Well, assuming everyone has stayed since 2019 (which may not be the case), that's at least 60 people at Asobo with a pilots license.

Really appreciate the source @BrieffiesWF, I skimmed your comment earlier because I thought it was just talking about Bordeaux and wine, but I noticed you pointed out this Polygon article when I had a chance to read your comment again.

@Tuskin38, I found the source, please ignore my last comment. Thanks.

Edited June 30, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

6 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes, and maybe understand the proper feel of an aircraft as it breaks away and lifts off from the runway. 

Can you elaborate on that?