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All, what's the best AI Traffic mods available now that the dust has settled and each option has been on the market for a while?  I'm looking for something that will correct the live AI traffic models with what ATC is calling for.  Also is there anything out there that updates GA traffic as well with updated models (GulfStreams, Learjets, Beach 400A, etc).  Thanks in advance.🍺

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Honestly my best bet has been the installation of all of the Alpha-India Group (AIG) packages and then just using the default MSFS live traffic option after disabling the default generic airliners file (which AIG can do for you). Note: I'm not using the AIG traffic injector or another third-party injection service. 

I'm getting busy skies with correct aircraft models and liveries I'd say 98%+ of the time, to include GA traffic. AIG includes business-jet/turboprop centered GA packages now, and I supplement that with the installation of additional AI traffic models just in my community folder from DFAI, and they seem to be automatically used correctly: https://dfai-development.com/

I'd have to figure out the other light aircraft AI models I'm using, but for example a couple days ago when starting on Honolulu Intl's GA ramp, I had a Cessna 150 next to me, a Lanai Air PC-12 a few rows down, and watched a variety of live traffic come in ranging from Southwest 737s, Hawaiian 717's, and ANA 787s, and more. Likewise at KPBI, Netjets corporate traffic was everywhere. 

 

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21 minutes ago, STK said:

Honestly my best bet has been the installation of all of the Alpha-India Group (AIG) packages and then just using the default MSFS live traffic option after disabling the default generic airliners file (which AIG can do for you). Note: I'm not using the AIG traffic injector or another third-party injection service. 

I'm getting busy skies with correct aircraft models and liveries I'd say 98%+ of the time, to include GA traffic. AIG includes business-jet/turboprop centered GA packages now, and I supplement that with the installation of additional AI traffic models just in my community folder from DFAI, and they seem to be automatically used correctly: https://dfai-development.com/

I'd have to figure out the other light aircraft AI models I'm using, but for example a couple days ago when starting on Honolulu Intl's GA ramp, I had a Cessna 150 next to me, a Lanai Air PC-12 a few rows down, and watched a variety of live traffic come in ranging from Southwest 737s, Hawaiian 717's, and ANA 787s, and more. Likewise at KPBI, Netjets corporate traffic was everywhere.

Where do I get this and what's the size of this whole package?

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I'm more than happy with FSLTL personally.  I know it's not perfect (mainly due to MSFS limitations) but it seems to include practically every airline I can think of (or at least want) around the world.  This has been one of the biggest improvements for MSFS even though I have lots of other great addons.

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31 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Where do I get this and what's the size of this whole package?

https://www.alpha-india.net/software/

Installing every package will likely push 50-60GB but I'd have to look later / tomorrow when I have access to my system and traffic folder to see. That's a rough ballpark estimate. 

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I had used all the traffic add-ons for P3D until AIG came out with their product. It is easy to install, update, and maintain as long as you don't reinstall your SIM. If you do that, you have to reinstall your AIG software. I get traffic at the gate in the air for each airline aligned to the AFCAD of that airport. If you remember Ultimate Traffic, back in the day, AIG blew it out of the water. FSLTL provides you with real-time traffic. Have not used it but am considering trying it.  However, I am very happy with AIG in MSFS and P3D.

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Everyone has their own idea of best for sure, for many users "best" gets mixed in with simple or easiest or quickest to install etc.

 FSLTL is super easy and quite quick to install and uses Real Time based on FR24, BUT the AI engine of the sim which really has no idea what separation standards are let alone much else handles the traffic in close to and on the ground at airports, so you end up with wrong runway ops, aircraft don't lineup until the previously landed aircraft is clear of the runway, which of course also leads to lots of overshoots, aircraft parking at the wrong spots and essentially all over the field among many other things.

AIG is much more to install but has quite a few more models and approx. 10x the liveries including about 100x more cargo liveries, as well as a massive assortment of bizjets and smaller GA BUT it also isn't real time and also relies on the AI engine of the sim for ATC so you end up with the same issues around airports as FSLTL. You can use the AIG fleet with the FSLTL injector to get real time as well which does work quite well and is my go to back up where PSXT coverage isn't that great.

Using the built-in MSFS Real Time traffic with either fleet from AIG or FSLTL works alright, it depends on what you are looking for.

 Overall though, the best option and it does come at a cost is PSXT with a paid sub to RealTraffic. It is based on Real Time surveillance coverage, and is from Gate to Gate. No super slow to exit or lineup, no overshoots unless they actually did and no parking where ever. The system has thousands of learned airports worldwide and also learns who parks where and when as it goes. You get traffic landing and departing from the correct runways with the separation that was used by the real controllers. You get traffic waiting for gates to become available, and also De-ice ops in the winter.

 It's not perfect by any means and has it's flaws, but they all do. Coverage with PSXT as well as all of the real time traffic can be challenging as World wide, there simply isn't coverage to the ground at every airport nor do even some larger airports in North America or Europe have ground transponder operations.

 You asked which one is the best and as it stands now PSXT with Real Traffic using the AIG fleet is still by far the best option.

 

Here's an example with PSXT. At EGLL one flight is just airborne, the A380 is ready but ATC saw an opportunity to get the Estonian A220 out in front from an intersection for better efficiency. So while the A380 lines up, the Estonian A220 lines up immediately after the traffic goes by and rolls. Once the A220 is airborne, the A380 gets to go as well. It's hard to see but all of the airlines are also parked at their correct terminals and gates.

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Another from YVR showing the southside where everyone is parked at the correct FBO's even. With FSLTL you won't even have ANY of those liveries let alone parking on the right side of the field let alone at the proper FBO.

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Just my 2 cents.

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