I know, there's probably a ton of similar topics lately on Avsim. Just needed to vent a little. I'm getting this message pretty much every flight, sometimes several times per flight. It happened in the current flight and I had to go to menu=>data and turn bing data world graphics back on. Took a few minutes for that to happen. 

It's just such a nuisance... Is there anything that can be done about this from a user perspective? I'm using a VPN, does that influence things? Should I have it off? 

5 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I know, there's probably a ton of similar topics lately on Avsim. Just needed to vent a little. I'm getting this message pretty much every flight, sometimes several times per flight. It happened in the current flight and I had to go to menu=>data and turn bing data world graphics back on. Took a few minutes for that to happen. 

It's just such a nuisance... Is there anything that can be done about this from a user perspective? I'm using a VPN, does that influence things? Should I have it off? 

Happens to me often when i use Programmetry to on ( most of my flights to Off normal ) to off this not happens, so seems no matter how good and fast you internet conection is it happens anyway - so i don't like that an d better keep it of and i am not a big fan of Programmetry at all..

cheers 😉

15 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I'm using a VPN, does that influence things? Should I have it off? 

Yes, and Yes.  The CDN selects the best server to connect to based on your IP address, if you're connecting via a VPN it will use that IP which may be less that ideal.  There's also overhead with a VPN that you wouldn't have otherwise. The only reason I would use a VPN is if the connection to the Azure network was messed up with my ISP, and even then it would be a temporary thing until it was fixed.

45 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Should I have it off?

Well, that's an entirely separate and very personal question! * 

But the bandwidth issues does seem to happen a lot recently. The few flights I've made since the UK update have often had a warning of too little bandwidth for PG.

*(Readers outside the UK may not get the joke😉 )

59 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I know, there's probably a ton of similar topics lately on Avsim. Just needed to vent a little. I'm getting this message pretty much every flight, sometimes several times per flight. It happened in the current flight and I had to go to menu=>data and turn bing data world graphics back on. Took a few minutes for that to happen. 

It's just such a nuisance... Is there anything that can be done about this from a user perspective? I'm using a VPN, does that influence things? Should I have it off? 

I have found that it's a little better with VPN off while using MSFS. Less interruptions.

Lee

1 hour ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I know, there's probably a ton of similar topics lately on Avsim. Just needed to vent a little. I'm getting this message pretty much every flight, sometimes several times per flight. It happened in the current flight and I had to go to menu=>data and turn bing data world graphics back on. Took a few minutes for that to happen. 

It's just such a nuisance... Is there anything that can be done about this from a user perspective? I'm using a VPN, does that influence things? Should I have it off? 

VPN just slows everything down. Try without it.

Interesting note above about PM cause I always fly with it off as well but in addition,  I'm always using the map enhancement mod.  Not going to say I've never seen it with it but it is rare.  

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

VPN just slows everything down. Try without it.

Exactly.

These networking issues have come up in numerous postings here on AVSIM and someone always suggests using a VPN, etc. Presumably the nice folks at Microsoft understand way better than me how the cloud (including CDNs) work, so what benefit do I add to the process by trying to outguess their content delivery network through the use of a VPN, which seems just to add additional network latency and bandwidth constraints. Perhaps bouncing around with a VPN might have worked in the old days before the extensive deployment of CDN technology or with a less sophisticated vendor than MS, but I doubt that I have the knowledge to somehow guess my way to better bandwidth today.

If anyone knows how to do this reliably and consistently, please let me know. BTW, I acknowledge that there are really good reasons to use VPNs for security, etc., but getting better bandwidth just doesn't seem to be one of those use cases.

Someone much smarter than me needs to just dig into the UI and eliminate that popup.

 

Would make for a very popular addon!

Looks like a MSFS server outage ...

https://azure.status.microsoft/en-gb/status

Edited July 30, 20241 yr by Nemo

I’m not having any bandwidth issues but I am seeing a lot of instability in the sim since that global IT outage, especially in the Fenix which I find really unusual as she has been the most rock solid, I’ve had a few CTD”s while at the gate lately while prepping for a flight. 

Same here. Again. Its becoming more often than not. 

I'm afraid that like many dodgy traders, Microsoft are happy to take your money and then not provide what you paid for.  A bit like a car dealer or estate agent.

If MS cannot provide a regular service, they at least need a backup facility for when it goes down 

I don't know anything about CDN (did a quick google), but I'll try a few flights without VPN. I would be interested to know if the bandwidth issues happen more frequently with VPN on as some posts seem to suggest. I've mainly been using VPN for higher download speeds for world updates etc, but don't really need it in day to day usage. 

3 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

VPN just slows everything down. Try without it.

I normally have my VPN off.  If I update MSFS the download often gradually slows to nothing.  Turn the VPN on and the download shoots up to 100 plus MBs and stays there.