iFly 737 Max cabin and cockpit walkthrough video

[carlanthony24]

2 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

I mean, it didn't do anything at all so I'm not sure how you can say it worked?  They could have clicked the back of a seat and then the door, and if it opened, did the seat work?  

Okay if you really want to go down that route. At least they have modelled it and from the video showing a interactive keypad the little things people like.... No doubt they will tell us or we will find out for ourselves how it exactly works.

Edited August 1 by carlanthony24

[UrgentSiesta]

12 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

Moderators….

 

you guys shut down threads because people aren’t being nice to each other but you leave this one open that literally is discussing flight deck security???? Let’s go moderators! You guys should have shut this down a long time ago. Not only that, but delete any threads pertaining to flight deck access systems.

If ifly modeled the system to its entirety, they are unbelievably irresponsible. There’s nothing else to it. 

Oh, puhleeeze...

[Stearmandriver]

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Oh, puhleeeze...

I don't know, he's not really wrong.  I'm not sure that a thread lock is necessarily the best recourse, but there obviously are some things that are better off not discussed.  I think there's a lack of understanding from some quarters here, on the significance of this system and its intended use.  It's not just a "open the door, please" button, like a doorbell or something.  It's there for scenarios we don't really discuss.

That said, I've now watched that part of the video about a dozen more times 😂, and I honestly think this whole discussion is baseless - because I don't think the system is modeled to do anything at all.  I don't see a button depress on it, or anything.  It looks to me like the panel is just part of the 3d model, and the person making the video just clicked on it before clicking on the doorknob to open the door.  They might just as well have clicked on the coffee pot or anything else.  Just a little creative videography.  It never would have occurred to me that you could get people excited about such a useless feature in the sim in the first place, but I guess they know their audience better than I do 😁.  But I'm also going to assume they're better than to actually model security features.

[KL Oo]

What bit of secret or classified information has been disclosed in the video? That there's a pin code required to access the cockpit door? What am I missing here? its not like you can get inside the cockpit wall partition and analyse the locking mechanism....I mean if iFly modeled that level of fidelity a) Its an instant buy for me and b) I expect the FPS will be terrible!

[Ricardo41]

This thread has now officiallly jumped the shark!

[UrgentSiesta]

16 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

I don't know, he's not really wrong.  

His level of hysteria is entirely overblown.

for e.g., doesn't the simple existence of MSFS and Study Level airliners make it more likely that some terrorist is going to be ABLE to steal an airliner and crash it into a building? Again?

 

[ahsmatt7]

1 hour ago, UrgentSiesta said:

His level of hysteria is entirely overblown.

for e.g., doesn't the simple existence of MSFS and Study Level airliners make it more likely that some terrorist is going to be ABLE to steal an airliner and crash it into a building? Again?

 

Apples to oranges.

we are talking about something that is protected under SSI. A skill set to fly an airplane or an avenue to learn about Boeings and other transport category aircraft isn’t considered SSI. I personally would rather not have an airplane full of people that know the one system that protects me from them. What a terrible opinion isn’t it. Anyways, this isn’t a hill I’m going to die on. Have it your way and I’ll have it mine. 

[Jviation]

To get this thread back on track, iFly have released some new pictures on their Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/s4Q8vPVFqXGNhrUx/

[Stearmandriver]

5 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

doesn't the simple existence of MSFS and Study Level airliners make it more likely that some terrorist is going to be ABLE to steal an airliner and crash it into a building? Again?

No. 

Those people didn't need to know anything about the systems of any airliner (and in fact, they did not.). All they needed to know was up, down, left, and right.  Anything else was overkill for their intended mission. 

They did, however, need to access a flight deck.  Why do you suppose that a video game, a toy, should contain information that might help in that endeavor?  Information that, btw, is completely useless to the folks playing the game?

[UrgentSiesta]

19 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

No. 

Those people didn't need to know anything about the systems of any airliner (and in fact, they did not.). All they needed to know was up, down, left, and right.  Anything else was overkill for their intended mission. 

They did, however, need to access a flight deck.  Why do you suppose that a video game, a toy, should contain information that might help in that endeavor?  Information that, btw, is completely useless to the folks playing the game?

Nope.

You of all people should know they were trained in more than "pull back to make houses smaller, push forward to make houses bigger"

If the IRL access control process is in the least effective, there is nothing a video game can do to illustrate how to get past it. Once again, the hysteria of the original complainant is entirely overblown.

And hopefully, you don't place your access control faith entirely on those mechanical means and back them up by being an FFDO.

 

[Peter Z KCLE_EDDN]

Guys - don't get personal, or this gets locked. You can disagree of course but do it respectfully.

[Georgleboui]

Let's take a step back a little just for a bit of context.
I don't think any specific functionality of the door security system was demonstrated in that video at all, nor did it look like it was intended to.
Maybe the 1 button was clicked on the keypad by the door, but completely unclear. The door was opened like any other plane in the sim basically.
iFly is also not claiming at all that this system is simulated whatsoever in any depth. It's not on any feature list.

Can we just put this discussion to bed?
There's way more interesting things to talk about.

Like what do we all think of the texturing?
It's so incredible crisp and hi-def. In a lot of ways better than the PMDG offering.
Yet I'd put it to you that it's way too new and missing a bit of character. Not necessarily a bad thing as these are new airplanes.
Just looking a bit too plasticky? Something I hope they address as they develop this thing further.

 

 

[micstatic]

Guys.  This is the 2nd mod request to stay on topic.  Please do so.  

[Stearmandriver]

11 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

You of all people should know they were trained in more than "pull back to make houses smaller, push forward to make houses bigger"

If the IRL access control process is in the least effective, there is nothing a video game can do to illustrate how to get past it. Once again, the hysteria of the original complainant is entirely overblown.

Some of them were better trained, but some of them were not.  Remember the famous case of the one that declined instruction in how to land?  Simple maneuvering flight was the only knowledge they needed... That, and access. 

I haven't seen any hysteria here, except perhaps from a couple folks flippantly dismissing concerns over a dev modeling security features and aggressively pushing back against those expressing concern at the idea. 

Again, I don't personally think anything about this system has been modeled at all; I think someone with no real airline experience saw the mouse cursor hover over a keypad and made a large leap to a conclusion unsupported by the evidence.  I think we're talking hypotheticals here.

But from a safety culture standpoint, it is absolutely bizarre to me that anyone would find the modeling of such a system to be acceptable, let alone admirable.  It is hubris in the extreme to think that just because you can't imagine how this knowledge could aid a bad action, that no one else could.  The more knowledge the bad actors have of systems and processes, the better armed they will be to subvert them.

Conversely, accurate modeling of a system like this would contribute literally nothing to an entertainment-level simulation of the aircraft.  Should the lav-dump panel and galley ovens be modeled too?  This stuff just has nothing at all to do with flying the airplane. 

Basically, modeling security systems would be a risk of unknown magnitude, for a known zero value.  All risk, zero reward... So what would be the point?

[carlanthony24]

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

Again, I don't personally think anything about this system has been modeled at all; I think someone with no real airline experience saw the mouse cursor hover over a keypad and made a large leap to a conclusion unsupported 

I know this is aimed at me since I brought it up. In no way does it show it working it just shows a mouse hovered over presuming they press a number. I would be willing to say this is exactly what happens since the cursor changes. Personally shows nothing major. Most in this day and age would know what it’s used for. I personally think you are looking into way too deeply just a little cool feature. If you want search my name through other means. Proves I have real airline experience.

Edited August 4 by carlanthony24