FF 777 v2 Available again to Purchase

[jason74]

FF 777 v2 Available again to Purchase, I noticed in the past they only make it available for a day or two while its in Beta to allow more people to fly the Beta so it

probably wont be available again shortly

Edited September 7, 2024 by jason74

[Samaritano]

I think they released it as a Beta. See here.

[Guido1996]

Después de adquirir todos los productos de Flight Factor a medida que fueron saliendo, he decidido no gastar más dinero en este desarrollador. Aviones que fallan y que no se actualizan. FF no debería contar con mi compra de su nuevo avión, mucho menos una BETA. Deberían dejar de insistir en esta modalidad de BETA.

[Jude Bradley]

It's released for all users now. Still beta but now VNAV is present. Also the watermark disappears after a few seconds.

It's the best X-Plane aircraft out there, even in it's current state.

Edited September 7, 2024 by Jude Bradley

[Aglos77]

13 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

 

 

5 hours ago, Jude Bradley said:

Ya está disponible para todos los usuarios. Todavía es una versión beta, pero ahora está presente VNAV. Además, la marca de agua desaparece después de unos segundos.

Es el mejor avión X-Plane que existe, incluso en su estado actual.

That is very debatable.

You have to be very careful with what is recommended we have to be very cautious. I have it like many here and the aircraft has a lot of potential but it also has a lot to fix still and we all know FF already. Time will tell if it becomes the great 777 that many of us have dreamed or another semi abandoned FF product.

Edited September 7, 2024 by Aglos77

[Franz007]

4 hours ago, Jude Bradley said:

It's the best X-Plane aircraft out there, even in it's current state.

100%. It’s at the level of the CL650, it’s absolutely crazy. I have never seen any other airliner of that detail in XP or in any other sim. Of course they will have to completely finish it and fix all bugs but as you say; even in that state it’s already a fantastic addon. You can literally spend hundreds of hours discovering all functions. We can be more than happy to be part of a community that gratifies us with such an ultra-study-level-addon.

[Guido1996]

3 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

 

That is very debatable.

You have to be very careful with what is recommended we have to be very cautious. I have it like many here and the aircraft has a lot of potential but it also has a lot to fix still and we all know FF already. Time will tell if it becomes the great 777 that many of us have dreamed or another semi abandoned FF product.

I think this plane will be another semi-abandoned product from Flight Factor as you mentioned before. This developer is like that. If they have already done nothing with their previous products, what makes us think that this new plane will be any different? They can't count on my purchase because they have let me down due to their behavior and I feel like they have scammed me with their actions before. For that reason I don't plan on buying or supporting anything from Flight Factor. It makes me distrust them.

[Franz007]

9 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

I think this plane will be another semi-abandoned product from Flight Factor as you mentioned before. This developer is like that. If they have already done nothing with their previous products, what makes us think that this new plane will be any different? They can't count on my purchase because they have let me down due to their behavior and I feel like they have scammed me with their actions before. For that reason I don't plan on buying or supporting anything from Flight Factor. It makes me distrust them.

How have they scammed you? In my opinion they have "failed" with their A320 because the main developer left the team and they needed years and years to implement the promised features. I was the first one being very upset and disappointed about that. Toliss catched up quickly and made then better Airbus-addons. But their Boeing-aircrafts have always been the best we have in XP and are extremely popular. They have also been updated many many many times. FF = best dev for Boeing-aircrafts in XP.

And if you have followed the developpment of the 777v2 you would have seen that they have put a huge amount of work in it. Ramzzess even got type-rated on it to make it as realistic as possible. Pretty much all streamers (some of them being real airliner pilots, one an ex-B777-pilot) were impressed by the first versions because it has a depth never reached in any other airliner-addon (in any sim). I struggle to see how they would "abandon" it when it already has way more features than any other addon before (except the CL650). They are working very hard since months to fix the last bugs and finalize some of the features. Alone this week there has been 2 or 3 updates!

After years and years in the flightsim-community I start to be very careful with some comments because it's obvious that users will never be happy, whatever happens. If they had released it fully with some incomplete features, people would complain. But they do also complain when they have the honesty to release it as a "beta" and let the users choose if they want to already purchase, help to speed up the beta-phase or prefer to wait. And the devs get pressured by users whinning and asking for an addon to be released whatever the state is simply because they don't want to wait. This was the reason why FF made a survey and asked what their users prefered. That's exactly what they did.

And now some other users like you are complaining once again. I am not a developper myself but having witnessed what they have to face all the time, I pretty much find your comment very disrespectful. I have been in the "scene" since 35+ years and the depth of nowadays addons are just crazy. The amount of work put in them is huge. At the same time, users just expect to invest the same amount of money they did 15 years ago but want that addon to have everything. And as fast as possible.

So I disagree with your comment.

 

[Guido1996]

25 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

How have they scammed you? In my opinion they have "failed" with their A320 because the main developer left the team and they needed years and years to implement the promised features. I was the first one being very upset and disappointed about that. Toliss catched up quickly and made then better Airbus-addons. But their Boeing-aircrafts have always been the best we have in XP and are extremely popular. They have also been updated many many many times. FF = best dev for Boeing-aircrafts in XP.

And if you have followed the developpment of the 777v2 you would have seen that they have put a huge amount of work in it. Ramzzess even got type-rated on it to make it as realistic as possible. Pretty much all streamers (some of them being real airliner pilots, one an ex-B777-pilot) were impressed by the first versions because it has a depth never reached in any other airliner-addon (in any sim). I struggle to see how they would "abandon" it when it already has way more features than any other addon before (except the CL650). They are working very hard since months to fix the last bugs and finalize some of the features. Alone this week there has been 2 or 3 updates!

After years and years in the flightsim-community I start to be very careful with some comments because it's obvious that users will never be happy, whatever happens. If they had released it fully with some incomplete features, people would complain. But they do also complain when they have the honesty to release it as a "beta" and let the users choose if they want to already purchase, help to speed up the beta-phase or prefer to wait. And the devs get pressured by users whinning and asking for an addon to be released whatever the state is simply because they don't want to wait. This was the reason why FF made a survey and asked what their users prefered. That's exactly what they did.

And now some other users like you are complaining once again. I am not a developper myself but having witnessed what they have to face all the time, I pretty much find your comment very disrespectful. I have been in the "scene" since 35+ years and the depth of nowadays addons are just crazy. The amount of work put in them is huge. At the same time, users just expect to invest the same amount of money they did 15 years ago but want that addon to have everything. And as fast as possible.

So I disagree with your comment.

 

1 - I don't consider the Boeing planes that Flight Factor makes to be any good. The 757 and 767 have not received any updates for a long, long time, as has the A350. They recently released an update for the A320 and they haven't fixed much and in fact the problems continue. I bought everything from .Org and I also use X-Updater and there you can see that they are abandoned and that they don't update them.
Zibo, being freeware, makes the best Boeing plane and updates many times more than Flight Factor, making the best Boeing plane today.
Toliss' Airbuses are excellent and of the highest quality and so far I have no complaints about their planes.

 

2 - The time invested in any aircraft is a lot. There is no doubt about that. But if they have already abandoned their other Boeing aircraft, leaving them aside and without updating them, why wouldn't they do the same with the 777v2? I followed the project and it seems that they are putting a lot of effort into it, as they do at the beginning of all the projects they do, but then they just end up lying there, and in fact that happens with their previous aircraft.

 

3 - There is an audience for everything. I prefer to wait for the plane to be finished and complete. I don't need the developer to rush and launch a BETA. I prefer to be patient and wait for it to be ready in due time and without rushing.

 

4- I agree when you say that the depth of current addons is crazy but I don't see my comment as disrespectful in criticizing a developer whose behavior in after-sales and technical support I don't like. I agree with this when you say that the amount of work invested in them is enormous.
But I don't agree when you say that users only expect to invest the same amount of money as 15 years ago, but they want that addons to have everything. And as fast as possible. Because that's not my way of thinking. And I've mentioned it to you before

 

I think it's fine if you don't agree, but everyone expresses themselves based on their own experience. Maybe you like FF and that's fine. But I don't like anything about them.

[Franz007]

3 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

1 - I don't consider the Boeing planes that Flight Factor makes to be any good. The 757 and 767 have not received any updates for a long, long time, as has the A350. They recently released an update for the A320 and they haven't fixed much and in fact the problems continue. I bought everything from .Org and I also use X-Updater and there you can see that they are abandoned and that they don't update them.
Zibo, being freeware, makes the best Boeing plane and updates many times more than Flight Factor, making the best Boeing plane today.
Toliss' Airbuses are excellent and of the highest quality and so far I have no complaints about their planes.

The FF-757/767 are very solid and have been updated last time in february this year. I don’t see anything wrong with them. Perhaps you just have too much expectations. For being pretty old addons now, they are still very good. And they have tons of options and different variants (all models and engines being simulated). I struggle to see what updates you are expecting and it what frequency? If you think that every addon should be updated nonstop until they have everything that for example the CL650 or the FF777v2 offers then I think that you have unrealistic expectations. I haven’t seen many other addons on the market that got updated as often as the FF757/767.

The Toliss got updated in dec 2023 last time. Yes they have become very good but for ex. their textures could also been improved theoretically to keep up with nowadays standards. Why haven’t they been updated? The Zibo is of course a fantastic freeware but we could also argue that it doesn’t have popout screens (that is standard in many addons).

3 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

2 - The time invested in any aircraft is a lot. There is no doubt about that. But if they have already abandoned their other Boeing aircraft, leaving them aside and without updating them, why wouldn't they do the same with the 777v2? I followed the project and it seems that they are putting a lot of effort into it, as they do at the beginning of all the projects they do, but then they just end up lying there, and in fact that happens with their previous aircraft.

Again, this is simply wrong since they haven’t abandonned any of them, this is simply a lie (see above).

3 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

3 - There is an audience for everything. I prefer to wait for the plane to be finished and complete. I don't need the developer to rush and launch a BETA. I prefer to be patient and wait for it to be ready in due time and without rushing.

This is perfectly fine. Everyone can decide for themselves. But there is no such thing as a « finished » addon. Never happened and never will, since technologies of real aircrafts evolve and new procedures being implemented, leading to people thinking they need those otherwise the addon would be « incomplete ». Or give me a single example of an airliner-addon that has been 100% finished at release? I agree however that the 777v2 still needs a very few basic-functionalities that belongs to the core, like optimizing the VNAV (that works pretty good already in the last release). At least they are informing their potential customers about these incomplete features. And this is really fair. There isn’t otherwise a way of pleasing all customers, other than wait and wait and wait and never release any addon since there will always be something missing.

3 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

4- I agree when you say that the depth of current addons is crazy but I don't see my comment as disrespectful in criticizing a developer whose behavior in after-sales and technical support I don't like. I agree with this when you say that the amount of work invested in them is enormous.
But I don't agree when you say that users only expect to invest the same amount of money as 15 years ago, but they want that addons to have everything. And as fast as possible. Because that's not my way of thinking. And I've mentioned it to you before

This is a different topic. If you don’t like their after-sales-support, this is not related to them abandonning any of their addons. That’s why I found your remark about them abandonning their addons pretty unfair and is also not what happened.

3 hours ago, Guido1996 said:

I think it's fine if you don't agree, but everyone expresses themselves based on their own experience. Maybe you like FF and that's fine. But I don't like anything about them.

Sure, everyone can express their opinion. But I still find it somehow confusing if you mention that the reason is that they are abandonning their addons. It may be related to a bad experience with their after-sales support or that they need long to answer a bug-report. So it would be better to mention that reason.

 

Edited September 8, 2024 by Franz007

[Aglos77]

I like to be cautious as I have already mentioned. I have the 777 since practically the beginning of the Alpha and I have seen an important evolution, but I have also suffered other FF addons like the 350 that have taken a long time to solve problems. That's why I'm not going to recommend anyone to buy blindly FF products, it's a lot of money for certain domestic economies like mine. And I really do not want to seem a hater I'm just tired of people who recommend things lightly in these forums especially in the MFS forum and then one regrets many times I want to believe that FF with this 777 will be crowned as one of the best developers of addons of any simulator and I wish it to be so.

 

[jcomm]

In some of the videos I've watched I saw a kind of really weird text box, superimposed to the front view during what I would consider as a critical phase of flight - takeoff.

The even more puzzling constatation was that when I started reading what was being displayed I realized those were cabin crew announcements to the pax ? 

Is this something the users can at least disable? And what the heck makes it so important or important enough to be displayed during takeoff right in front of the PF eyes ???

Another strange thing I noticed was that the wind vector seldom displays on the ND, and when it is being displayed it behaves rather "hysterically"... 

Edited September 8, 2024 by jcomm

[Franz007]

@jcomm You can deactivate/change absolutely all of these features. I have switched these textboxes off. I haven’t observed anything wrong with the winds-vector. As far as I know it is being shown on the real plane only above a certain speed (5 kts?). And fluctuations of this wind-indicator are also pretty common irl.

[jcomm]

23 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

@jcomm You can deactivate/change absolutely all of these features. I have switched these textboxes off. I haven’t observed anything wrong with the winds-vector. As far as I know it is being shown on the real plane only above a certain speed (5 kts?). And fluctuations of this wind-indicator are also pretty common irl.

Thx @Franz007👍

Regarding the wind vector I just find weird that in most flights even at Cruise FL I see no wind vector displayed. Could be a coincidence.

[Franz007]

13 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Thx @Franz007👍

Regarding the wind vector I just find weird that in most flights even at Cruise FL I see no wind vector displayed. Could be a coincidence.

There really should, except if the winds are very low. Here an example of that wind vecor during cruise: https://youtu.be/70uqN8U4PYg?t=3327