1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

All the trees in the world will be 3D

No way! Even the one at the back of my house?? 😮

5 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Outside of airports and man-made POIs all the countryside does not receive *any* manual or careful hand-grooming AFAIK. It's all AI placing 3D objects where it detects them in the 2D analysis, tessellation, 2D-to-3D AI conversion (i.e. Mt Kilimanjaro), 3D flora/trees/etc, 3D objects like rocks/boulders/etc along with the new highly detailed 3D terrain which I'm assuming is procedurally generated based on the DEM in the area. So very definitely it's not plausible that they'd have hand groomed the whole world, but they don't have to. It's the areas with poor DEM and/or poor satellite coverage that would not look as good as some of the shown areas. But ground level detail wise I believe it's the world over since that's all automation/procedural.
 

Yes, of course the whole world will look nicer in ms2024, nobody could believe otherwise. But there is a difference between the Grand Canyon which oh so many youtubers showed on their videos, and the AI created entire planet. It is not by chance that the overwhelming number of videos on YT from the big event, were located in the Grand Canyon. Because that is where they were placed by MS. All of these Youtubers did not all by themselves decide on the same location (I am guessing they did not, it seems extremely unlikely to me). MS did the normal thing in advertising their simulation game, they put their best foot forward.

But I think we all realize that as good as BlackShark's miracle algorithms were in 2020, the base scenery is going to be better everywhere in 2024. And then we have 3D trees, and new AI features. What we will not have is an Earth that looks as good as the videos on YT of pilots walking up hills outside their plane. But the whole world will be much nicer. But it isn't going to be so heavenly as the MS previews.

44 minutes ago, eslader said:

I guarantee you are not seeing full-fidelity autogen out to the horizon. It would be silly to even make that possible. You can't even see full detail out to the horizon in real life. After a certain distance, trees don't look like they have individual leaves on them, signs aren't legible, etc. Why would they waste cycles fully rendering something you would need a telescope to discern in the real world?

 

I didn't say I could see autogen out to the horizon. I said a supercomputer isn't required to run TLOD 400.  Other textures on my system are sharp to the horizon (if atmospheric conditions allow).

28 minutes ago, Fielder said:

It is not by chance that the overwhelming number of videos on YT from the big event, were located in the Grand Canyon. Because that is where they were placed by MS. All of these Youtubers did not all by themselves decide on the same location (I am guessing they did not, it seems extremely unlikely to me).

If I was taken over and through the Grand Canyon in a helicopter, it would be the first place I would fly in the sim. 🙂

41 minutes ago, Fielder said:

Because that is where they were placed by MS. All of these Youtubers did not all by themselves decide on the same location (I am guessing they did not, it seems extremely unlikely to me).

Some of them also flew to other parts of the world.

Yes, Microsoft probably chose places in the b-roll footage that look the best, but those areas are not handcrafted, the sim generated them that way.

Edited September 23, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

Bye and bye, pie in the sky. Someday the millennium will come and we shall have an entire bespoken world. The Maud dib came in with the Dune expansion, but his blessed appearance he did not yet usher in such a world. We turn our eyes now towards 2024.

5 hours ago, Fielder said:

Bye and bye, pie in the sky. Someday the millennium will come and we shall have an entire bespoken world. The

We won't have a bespoken world, and we won't need it, because with AI (see above) most places will look fantastic. And a lot of this thread will seem irrelevant in retrospect.  

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by cobalt

I have a wonderful prophesy record, e.g., a glorious landing in New Jersey for the Hindenburg.

12 hours ago, Fielder said:

Yes, of course the whole world will look nicer in ms2024, nobody could believe otherwise. But there is a difference between the Grand Canyon which oh so many youtubers showed on their videos, and the AI created entire planet. It is not by chance that the overwhelming number of videos on YT from the big event, were located in the Grand Canyon. Because that is where they were placed by MS. All of these Youtubers did not all by themselves decide on the same location (I am guessing they did not, it seems extremely unlikely to me). MS did the normal thing in advertising their simulation game, they put their best foot forward.

But I think we all realize that as good as BlackShark's miracle algorithms were in 2020, the base scenery is going to be better everywhere in 2024. And then we have 3D trees, and new AI features. What we will not have is an Earth that looks as good as the videos on YT of pilots walking up hills outside their plane. But the whole world will be much nicer. But it isn't going to be so heavenly as the MS previews.

I saw many videos covering other places too and from what I understand the youtubers could choose any place they wanted. The video where a a guy flew around Idaho wasnt photogrametry but there was still rocks and grass placed around and it looked great.. So I think where there is decent ortho, the AI will do a decent job enchancing those areas..

Ah well then, perhaps I was looking at the wrong videos. And your messages sound very encouraging. Everything will look better everywhere in 2024 than 2020. Sometimes the Avsim forum is slow to load, probably due to its heavy use and popularity. I hope 2024 performs well.

I fly airliners high up in the sky. Not interested how the Grand Canyon looks like from the ground. Not sure if 2024 will bring me any real upgrade, besides maybe some better clouds.

 

26 minutes ago, willy647 said:

I fly airliners high up in the sky. Not interested how the Grand Canyon looks like from the ground. Not sure if 2024 will bring me any real upgrade, besides maybe some better clouds.

 

Yeah, aint too much improvements for airliner guys, maybe except better clouds some physics upgrades better lighting and maybe a few more “minor” things.
 

But for a bushflyer/heli guy this is a dream come true. How things look close to the ground has bothered me since I started simming with FSX. 2020 improved this a little bit, but a lot left to be desired. 

16 hours ago, eslader said:

I guarantee you are not seeing full-fidelity autogen out to the horizon. It would be silly to even make that possible. You can't even see full detail out to the horizon in real life. After a certain distance, trees don't look like they have individual leaves on them, signs aren't legible, etc. Why would they waste cycles fully rendering something you would need a telescope to discern in the real world?

 

They don't, that's what LOD's are for 🙂

15 hours ago, Fielder said:

Yes, of course the whole world will look nicer in ms2024, nobody could believe otherwise. But there is a difference between the Grand Canyon which oh so many youtubers showed on their videos, and the AI created entire planet.

Yes, because the Grand Canyon is photogrammetry, i.e. what the devs call „countryside TIN“. What’s special about it is that they have a new tech that detects bushes and trees, flattens them and then replaces them with 3D models. On top of that, rocks, surface material detail maps and tessalation are added. That’s all done procedurally. They said they had bought 1 million square kilometers of this, mostly national parks in North America and Europe. As far as I can tell from the videos and screenshots, this tech is only used for those countrysides and not for TIN cities. But I‘m not 100% about this. 

Is it possible that the AI senses the season and where “grass” and roads and dirt are and does some high altitude, lower fidelity version of those to help color and and seasons to the view from high above?

So instead of deep winter brown fields next to spring green we get something that looks like spring all over?

Not saying that’s how 2024 works, but that would be an improvement.