The Citation Longitude is one of my favorite birds in MSFS. Couldn't find much about it on YouTube until now.  The real bird cruises at .84, good luck doing that in the FS version.

 

We haven't had anyone else report that it can't reach 0.84. That's all I ever cruise at. Doublecheck you don't have any flight model mods or realism mods installed that are affecting the Longitude. Also make sure you don't have anti-ice on, as that saps engine power (bleed air load losses).

We're super familiar with Max, and have definitely been watching his new adventures with the Longitude. It's fun to see folks get introduced to some of the details that we put into the plane vicariously through his experience. For example, people thought the plane couldn't possibly float and that we got that wrong (despite loads of conversations with the actual engineers of the plane and many pilots):
 

 

Hopefully that helps!

-Matt

Edited September 24, 20241 yr by MattNischan

Well, you're in good company. People have been complaining to Leonardo that the Maddog's engines are almost inaudible from the cockpit, which is true because that's what it was like in the real plane.

Will the Longitude in MSFS 2024 have a cabin and doors that actually open?

6 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Will the Longitude in MSFS 2024 have a cabin and doors that actually open?

I can't comment on 2024. You'll have to watch the continuing coverage.

-Matt

On 9/23/2024 at 10:34 PM, Ricardo41 said:

Will the Longitude in MSFS 2024 have a cabin and doors that actually open?

Seems strange for all the work done on this plane that they didn't animate the doors. 

On 9/24/2024 at 2:45 AM, eslader said:

Well, you're in good company. People have been complaining to Leonardo that the Maddog's engines are almost inaudible from the cockpit, which is true because that's what it was like in the real plane.

To be fair, it wasn't only about the engines, it was that you heard almost nothing in the cockpit (except for the odd "stabilizer motion"). It's because Leonardo did a headphone-on sound setting. Just imagine not hearing anything in the A320 because Fenix decided they want to simulate the pilot wearing headphones. The internet would burn.

On 9/23/2024 at 8:25 PM, MattNischan said:

We haven't had anyone else report that it can't reach 0.84. That's all I ever cruise at. Doublecheck you don't have any flight model mods or realism mods installed that are affecting the Longitude. Also make sure you don't have anti-ice on, as that saps engine power (bleed air load losses).

We're super familiar with Max, and have definitely been watching his new adventures with the Longitude. It's fun to see folks get introduced to some of the details that we put into the plane vicariously through his experience. For example, people thought the plane couldn't possibly float and that we got that wrong (despite loads of conversations with the actual engineers of the plane and many pilots):
 

Hopefully that helps!

-Matt

 

Matt, I checked my setup to see if I have any mods installed.  The things I have installed are liveries and the cockpit windshield mod that lightens the windows at night.  Things that don't affect operation of the aircraft.  Here are the things I'm seeing that may be normal but just thought I'd ask:

1. Cruising at the lower 40's at Mach 0.84 has the speed listed right at the overspeed tape (basically I'm in the overspeed range).  Also fuel burn suffers at this speed for long haul flights.

2. I found for a flight from say KMYF to KHPN the best cruise speed where excessive fuel burn isn't a problem is Mach 0.80.

Let me know if anything is off here on my end (thanks in advance).😐

2 minutes ago, Dillon said:

1. Cruising at the lower 40's at Mach 0.84 has the speed listed right at the overspeed tape (basically I'm in the overspeed range).  Also fuel burn suffers at this speed for long haul flights.

That matches the real aircraft. Some pilots will set cruise to 0.83 because the speed tape flickering annoys them, but it isn't unsafe to tickle the barberpole like that. Long range cruise is closer to 0.78M, and our burns match book.

5 minutes ago, Dillon said:

2. I found for a flight from say KMYF to KHPN the best cruise speed where excessive fuel burn isn't a problem is Mach 0.80.

Hard to tell what you mean by excessive here. If you're using something like SimBrief, the profile in there is a little optimistic vs the real plane, so take that into account. IRL for a flight that long you'd just take a full fuel load in the C700 and fly at the barberpole. Most bizjet operators are not micromanaging fuel, because the low weight (relative to something like a commercial transport aircraft) means the difference in burn with less fuel vs full fuel is fairly minimal.

-Matt

 

2 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

That matches the real aircraft. Some pilots will set cruise to 0.83 because the speed tape flickering annoys them, but it isn't unsafe to tickle the barberpole like that. Long range cruise is closer to 0.78M, and our burns match book.

Hard to tell what you mean by excessive here. If you're using something like SimBrief, the profile in there is a little optimistic vs the real plane, so take that into account. IRL for a flight that long you'd just take a full fuel load in the C700 and fly at the barberpole. Most bizjet operators are not micromanaging fuel, because the low weight (relative to something like a commercial transport aircraft) means the difference in burn with less fuel vs full fuel is fairly minimal.

-Matt

Thanks for the clarification/explanation.👍🍺

On 9/24/2024 at 1:34 AM, Ricardo41 said:

Will the Longitude in MSFS 2024 have a cabin and doors that actually open?

I hope so. There’s a dev stream in 2.5 hours, I’ll try and ask in the chat lol

Edited September 25, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

On 9/24/2024 at 7:22 AM, MattNischan said:

I can't comment on 2024. You'll have to watch the continuing coverage.

-Matt

I hope the HUD will finally be functional finally.  We can see on the real bird it's alive and well.🙂  I also put in a vote for a full cabin with working exit/cargo doors.👍

30 minutes ago, Dillon said:

I hope the HUD will finally be functional finally.  We can see on the real bird it's alive and well.🙂  I also put in a vote for a full cabin with working exit/cargo doors.👍

Has the HUD received certification? I know that’s the reason they didn’t enable it in 2020

4 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

Has the HUD received certification? I know that’s the reason they didn’t enable it in 2020

When 2020 came out it wasn't widely available (sure I read that it was fitted to literally one aircraft). Seems to be now though as Max has it fitted.

Seems it's a lot more complicated than those fitted to other aircraft that have been simulated (787, 737 & XP CL650). Hence all the cameras on the front of Max's aircraft...

 

G

4 hours ago, Dillon said:

I hope the HUD will finally be functional finally.  We can see on the real bird it's alive and well.🙂  I also put in a vote for a full cabin with working exit/cargo doors.👍

It's really a fabulous plane especially since it's a default plane as it were.  I started out using the TBM for many months when 2020 debuted and then started using the Longitude.  What I can't explain is the fact the avionics are as complexly modeled as they are and yet the main thread coasts along around 16% or so, whereas for PMDG 738, FBW320nx and even AS CRJ700 and WT 787X the sim becomes main thread limited and utilization sits around 80% or so.  So it's the larger sizes and animated doors (🤫) that puts massively more demand on the main thread in those planes over the lovely Longitude??