17 minutes ago, ErichB said:

I'd rather have this enhanced 'old' graphics engine than what could have been, had we still been stuck with P3DVx.... or the other one.  I forget it's name...

We'd have donated a body part just 5 years ago to have the sim we have today with MS and Asobo supporting it to the extent that they do.  Because it was never on the cards.

You are right and nobody has denied that... but still, we are the buyers and we can wish for more.

If we don't make any pressure, the developer is not motivated to improve the product, even more so in a market without a strong competition.

42 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

If we don't make any pressure, the developer is not motivated to improve the product, even more so in a market without a strong competition.

It’s amazing the amount that MSFS 2020, and now the impending MSFS 2024, has improved, given the competition is so weak and so behind. For the default GA Avionics alone, it was laughable when MSFS 2020 was released, but after 4 years, MSFS 2020 is the de facto role model for default GA avionics, with the G1000 NXi, G3000, G5000, and G3X so good, that you can’t even buy better payware versions of them.

The MSFS team has provided tremendous support in the last 4 years for MSFS 2020, almost the opposite of FSX which had like 2 patches before Microsoft abandoned it.

We got 15 Sim Updates and multiple AAU updates, so many decent free planes (ie iniBuilds A310 and A320), so many World Updates, and a Twitch Q&A almost once every 2 months where we can ask them questions.  All that continuously for 4 years. We didn’t even get 1/100 of that for FSX.

 

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I agree with you, Asobo has done very well in these years and MSFS is by far the best sim on the market.

But I prefer to keep my consumer point of view, avoiding to become a fan or a worshipper. I don't think it's inappropriate to ask them to fix bugs and imperfections that are still there after more than 4 years, 40+ updates and even a brand new game release.

4 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

I agree with you, Asobo has done very well in these years and MSFS is by far the best sim on the market.

But I prefer to keep my consumer point of view, avoiding to become a fan or a worshipper. I don't think it's inappropriate to ask them to fix bugs and imperfections that are still there after more than 4 years, 40+ updates and even a brand new game release.

Bang on Fuzzy!  No problem with that, and while I also appreciate MSFS being around, those are also my thoughts. 
I just can't get too carried away by the new improvements while the other issues are hanging around. 
They should get rid of those black lines before giving us tracks in the mud and pebbles in the water - just my opinion.

Plus, I really hope that the bad stuttering I am seeing in the preview videos isn't actually a thing. 
Some people have said it might have been down to a poor internet connection at the preview event, but I used to have a 5Mb/s connection at 4k ultra settings without it stuttering like that.
All that my new 500Mb/s fibre connection has done is speed up loading and updates times.  Maybe it is different in 2024 as they a lot more downloads as needed, but still...  It does concern me.

https://www.flightsimulator.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024/

"To achieve this unprecedented level of accuracy, Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 is powered by the significantly evolved Asobo Studio engine."

 

Now let's put the misinformation to rest.

Also, @MrFuzzy, I wouldn't get worked up over footage from the first stable build of the sim which is very old by this point and was running with about 25 people sharing a 25mb/s connection (might have been even lower than that). A better judgment can be made come release date 

Edited October 11, 20241 yr by Krakin

Plus it's probably impossible for Asobo to catch all of those errors themselves, it's a giant planet. They rely on the community to report them.

 

Edited October 11, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

On 10/10/2024 at 11:50 AM, AnkH said:

Is there any video already available showing this OUTSIDE those scenarios that were defined by Asobo to be used in the tests? I still doubt that the whole world will have the details we have seen in some videos to be honest. Glad if I am wrong, but I only believe it when somebody shows me a random selected place and how the details are equally good over there...

TwoToneMurphy has posted some low flying footage in Ireland he recorded from the 2024 event. Nothing ground level, except at take off, but you can spot the procedural rocks and such in some shots

 

Edited October 11, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Bang on Fuzzy!  No problem with that, and while I also appreciate MSFS being around, those are also my thoughts. 
I just can't get too carried away by the new improvements while the other issues are hanging around. 
They should get rid of those black lines before giving us tracks in the mud and pebbles in the water - just my opinion.

Totally agree with you. It defies logic or explanation why 100's of developers working full-time spend their time on bells and whistles instead of fixing this BASIC immersion killer. 

Oh... I think I get it... maybe there is an explanation.... quantity v$ quality.  Can't complain much I guess.  It's not perfect, but what's the alternative.... none.

1 minute ago, bofhlusr said:

Totally agree with you. It defies logic or explanation why 100's of developers working full-time spend their time on bells and whistles instead of fixing this BASIC immersion killer. 

Do you know how big the planet is?

  

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

They should get rid of those black lines before giving us tracks in the mud and pebbles in the water - just my opinion.

I don't think the same devs are working on those things.

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50 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Plus it's probably impossible for Asobo to catch all of those errors themselves, it's a giant planet. They rely on the community to report them.

 

....who then rely on Asobo to fix them.

Just now, Christopher Low said:

....who then rely on Asobo to fix them.

Asobo can't fix them if they don't know about them.

7 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

I agree with you, Asobo has done very well in these years and MSFS is by far the best sim on the market.

But I prefer to keep my consumer point of view, avoiding to become a fan or a worshipper. I don't think it's inappropriate to ask them to fix bugs and imperfections that are still there after more than 4 years, 40+ updates and even a brand new game release.

I think a lot of us are continuing to badger and push the MSFS team to fix stuff. I personally was vocal at the official MSFS forum and at the Twitch Q&A back in 2020/2021 for them to implement a beta test before each Sim Update. I also asked them and got Jane to ask about whether they could fix the greenish roads at one of the Twitch Q&As. And about a half a year to a year after Seb said they were looking to rewrite the ground handling, I got Jane to ask about the status of the ground handling rewrite (which they finally got around to rewriting for MSFS 2024). I was also there at the last Twitch Q&A, repeating how important a full weather radar was (I hope that Jorg read my comment, many others posted the same comment too).

Don't worry, a lot of us praise MSFS because it's simply the best civillian flight simulator now, but that doesn't mean we aren't actively pushing the MSFS team to make improvements. Simply go to one of the live Twitch Q&As, and just read the chat. There are plenty of people in the live Twitch Q&A chat that are badgering the MSFS team to make improvements.

6 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Asobo can't fix them if they don't know about them.

 @Tuskin38 See links to Microsoft's forum below.  It's beyond reason to think both Asobo and Microsoft would not know about item #2.
 

On 10/10/2024 at 11:16 AM, bofhlusr said:

After 40 long years of MFS and almost 4 years of MSFS I don't think these 'as real as it gets' expectations are unreasonable. Immersion killers all.  The four things that will really disappoint in MSFS2024... if MSFS still has:

1. Dark lines on the water.
   Black lines in the water - Bug Reporting Hub / Scenery and Airports - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
    
2. Suicidal ground personnel.
   Airport ground crew are they just stupid in MSFS2020? - Discussion Hub / General Discussion - Microsoft Flight Simulator Forums
   If Prepar3d can do it, you can do it too!
   Dancing Zombie in Prepar3D (youtube.com)

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

Asobo can't fix them if they don't know about them.

So have then fixed the ones they've known about since 2020? There's an official forum thread from 2021 with examples & locations, any of them been fixed? It'd be interesting to know and this what irks me about Asobo/Jorg & Co, it always seems to be the obvious issues that they're blind too, something I hope with fingers firmly crossed that they'll deal with much better when MSFS24 comes around #StillWaitingOnSU5andSU7BugsToBeFixed!

54 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

TwoToneMurphy has posted some low flying footage in Ireland he recorded from the 2024 event. Nothing ground level, except at take off, but you can spot the procedural rocks and such in some shots

Another very nice video showing the huge improvements of MSFS 2024 near ground level compared to MSFS 2020! I noticed there is different variations and color for the grass in the video. And I like how there are now rocks and boulders on the shoreline. Plus the sun partially shines through the clouds. It just adds to the immersion and makes MSFS 2024 look so much more real.