12 minutes ago, wijnroks said:

Hi, I use the Brunner yoke as well and didn't have any abnormal behaviour with the iFly max. Could it be that you use the yoke software with autopilot pitch and roll enabled? I think you will be fine after disabling.

 

Any chance you could share screenshots of the setting you use in CLS2Sim when flying the iFly 737 MAX 8 successfully?

I guess the tabs of most interest would be:

• Effects
• Buttons
• Axis Range settings
• Axis force settings
• Autopilot
• Hydraulics

 

28 minutes ago, mac44 said:

strangely when I do this just get the blue iflyapp not the orange one?

That's strange but try looking for it under All apps where it should be under the letter 'I'.

Or you can manually find it here -> ...\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\Packages\Community\ifly-aircraft-737max8\Data\Tool\737MAX_Plugin.exe

Just wondering, has I Fly given any time frame as to when the regular version of the 737 Max will be released? 

35 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just wondering, has I Fly given any time frame as to when the regular version of the 737 Max will be released? 

I'm waiting for the final release version myself. 

1 hour ago, WebMaximus said:

Any chance you could share screenshots of the setting you use in CLS2Sim when flying the iFly 737 MAX 8 successfully?

I guess the tabs of most interest would be:

• Effects
• Buttons
• Axis Range settings
• Axis force settings
• Autopilot
• Hydraulics

 

I am no computer virtuoso to be able to deliver screen shots but I hope describing is also possible.

I use pretty much the virgin default settings in the Brunner software:

Effects: only stick shaker enabled with the default settings.

Buttons: only 4 & 5 enabled as trim

Axis Range settings: center deadzone 0.04 for pitch and roll but not enabled (?), Backlash both 0.001

Axis force settings: Default, max speed 450 TAS (I use TAS under General)

Autopilot: completely disabled. So, no yoke movements, but I can live with it. And I got to dislike it because disconnecting the autopilot caused a harsh and vigorous push into                      my  hands.

Hydraulics: Hydraulics force for pitch and roll 500 (inspired by your profiles in the Brunner profile cloud!) Gives a nice stiff feeling!

                    Hydraulics Failure Force 1000 for both. Use hydraulic system integrity RawData enabled.

Can anyone tell me if the Ifly 737 MAX can handle sim rate acceleration relatively well, like 4x at least without going crazy?

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just wondering, has I Fly given any time frame as to when the regular version of the 737 Max will be released? 

 

1 hour ago, B777ER said:

I'm waiting for the final release version myself. 

You can get this release witout a doubt, its stable and gives you proffessional handling its almost perfect and for shure ( in my opinion ) better than the PMDG 737's first release !

But shure, you can also wait for an other Version - but I don't see any reason for it..

cheers 😉

27 minutes ago, wijnroks said:

I am no computer virtuoso to be able to deliver screen shots but I hope describing is also possible.

I use pretty much the virgin default settings in the Brunner software:

Effects: only stick shaker enabled with the default settings.

Buttons: only 4 & 5 enabled as trim

Axis Range settings: center deadzone 0.04 for pitch and roll but not enabled (?), Backlash both 0.001

Axis force settings: Default, max speed 450 TAS (I use TAS under General)

Autopilot: completely disabled. So, no yoke movements, but I can live with it. And I got to dislike it because disconnecting the autopilot caused a harsh and vigorous push into                      my  hands.

Hydraulics: Hydraulics force for pitch and roll 500 (inspired by your profiles in the Brunner profile cloud!) Gives a nice stiff feeling!

                    Hydraulics Failure Force 1000 for both. Use hydraulic system integrity RawData enabled.

Many thanks my friend, much appreciated!

Will give it a try when I get back home and glad to hear you like the hydraulic values which in fact aren't values I came up with but a Ryanair pilot friend of mine. So they should be quite accurate compared to the real thing 🙂

4 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

 

You can get this release witout a doubt, its stable and gives you proffessional handling its almost perfect and for shure ( in my opinion ) better than the PMDG 737's first release !

But shure, you can also wait for an other Version - but I don't see any reason for it..

cheers 😉

Well, then I don't see why they just don't release it now. 

1 minute ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well, then I don't see why they just don't release it now. 

Well get it ore not,  i only can say this AC is already very, very good so it's your choice what you decide to do..

cheers 😉

8 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Well, then I don't see why they just don't release it now. 

Bob, in the end its a 737. Flies pretty much like the PMDG. Why would it not. hand flies Heavier however.

I fly it like a GA plane. Dont even use VNav, so for me its very stable and flies very similar to the PMDG.

I think you may have a different opinion with some of the advance stuff that still needs to be worked on.

Those bigger screens and better resolution is great for my eyes however. Just that is worth it for me.

Even the buttons are easier on the eyes. I know you have flown the PMDG a lot so the wow factor will disappear very quickly.

I just wanted to let you know you may not feel the same with some of the things that need fixing or tweaking.

You will enjoy it it you get it now if you remember there is still work to be done.

Very flyable plane, not something you are going to shelve and swear cause you wasted your money.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

You can get this release witout a doubt, its stable and gives you proffessional handling its almost perfect and for shure ( in my opinion ) better than the PMDG 737's first release !

I'm going to share a counter opinion and say it's absolutely not better than PMDG's 737 on release. The sheer number of bugs both big and small being reported on the discord is staggering. I regret buying the pre-release and have uninstalled it until it's more complete.  

3 hours ago, WebMaximus said:

That's strange but try looking for it under All apps where it should be under the letter 'I'.

Or you can manually find it here -> ...\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\Packages\Community\ifly-aircraft-737max8\Data\Tool\737MAX_Plugin.exe

strange the app never launches with msfs so now just have to manually launch and it works

Here is my opinion between the PMDG 737NG and the iFly 737 Max 8.  Yesterday I flew SEA-SAN in the PMDG 737-800 and switched over to the iFly 737 Max 8 for the return.  I am mostly a casual simmer and set up things just enough so I can reach my destination.  I know how to do it all but mostly lazy and more so don't have the time.  I guess you can say I am more of a stick and rudder guy.  Once I am at cruising altitude I tend to set the Auto Pilot and do other activities and come back a few hours later to land it.  

For me at the moment I feel they are pretty comparable.  One will have advantages over the other and vice a versa.  When it comes to the nitty gritty details the iFly is definitely newer and looks better in certain key details.  However the PMDG 737 definitely looks just fine where it counts.  For example when it comes to the cockpit some things in the iFly 737 look way better but on the PMDG product some other minor details look better.  Really I think they are comparable but definitely different.  Keep in mind I am currently on 1080P and honestly I feel I am not getting the full affect on any aircraft panel.  So maybe if I upgrade to 4K the difference will become more apparent?  A good friend runs FS2020 in 4K and its like night and day.  My next upgraded system will support 4K for sure!

As for raw performance as in frame rates I feel the PMDG 737 has the slight edge however the iFly 737 Max runs just fine.  Actually considering the detail I would say the iFly 737 is more refined out of the gate over the PMDG 737.  The sound package on the iFly 737 definitely has a lot more detail and a slightly higher fidelity.  Different engines entirely so it will not sound the same as the PMDG 737's CFM engines.  However I never found myself complaining about the PMDG default sound package.  It does not cover as many details but its otherwise fine.  One of my favorite things in the PMDG 737 is when you start descending and slowing down.  As the engines go into idle and you step into another room my walls are actually shaking.  I have an old Logitech home THX speaker system with dual 8 inch subwoofers.  Very few planes create that level of bass and unfortunately on the iFly 737 I don't get that affect either.  Of coarse again with the iFly 737 you get a lot more other details in the sound.  

When it comes to flight dynamics I feel they are pretty comparable.  The iFly 737 definitely hand flies nice and feels heavier which I believe is a real trait with the Max.  It is a heavier airplane for reals and those fatter engines definitely affect things.  I do find the iFly 737 to be slightly overpowered and the PMDG 737 slightly under powered.  Sometimes the PMDG 737 struggles reaching cruising altitude which I never felt in the real thing.  The iFly 737 does not have that problem.  Also raw takeoff performance I find the iFly Max to be more sporty than the PMDG 737.  Maybe in real life the Max is more sporty what do I know.  Otherwise they fly pretty similar!

Overall if you have spent a lot of time in the PMDG 737 you will feel at home in the iFly Max.  I did not really notice any bugs in the type of flying I do.  I am sure many exist and the will be ironed out in time.  My only real complaint and its not a complaint but more of a wish.  I really hope in the distant future we get a iFly 737 Max 9 and after that eventually a Max 7 and 10.  If PMDG was still releasing the Max soon I would not really care but since they are not releasing anytime soon (and honestly if ever) its a bigger deal.  I did read somewhere that the iFly 737 is planning to be Flight 1's premier product and that eventually we will get more iFly Max versions but they are not ready to commit to that yet.  So I guess we will just have to wait and pray. 

This is all just my opinion and I am not a real pilot so take it all with a grain of salt.  I guess I have been flying sims for 40 years so I know what to look for I guess!

    

      

 

I’ve been flying it all of today and I must admit I’m very impressed. It is a little buggy in some areas:

- the ifly app doesn’t always seem to launch, but killing it in task manager and relaunching always fixes this 

- if you load a saved state then the APU won’t start. This is a really annoying one as of course you don’t realise this until you’re ready to go!

- I had a few challenges with the nose wheel steering not working on my first outing but it worked fine after a restart. You can adjust the sensitivity and I find it taxies quite nicely now. Definitely less twitchy than the Fenix. The rudder also moves the nose wheel a little too fast for my liking so you need to be gentle with it. I’m not real 737 pilot but I’m a pretty sure that a fraction of rudder movement would not have you heading off one side or the other. 
 

All in all, it’s very, very good and definitely my favourite add on after the Fenix. Well done ifly 👍🏻