21 minutes ago, mac44 said:

strange the app never launches with msfs so now just have to manually launch and it works

Did you check your exe.xml?

This is what I have in mine and seems to be working fine where I see the plugin launch whenever I load the MAX and unload itself when I exit the flight.

<Launch.Addon>
    <Disabled>False</Disabled>
    <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad>
    <Name>iFly Plugin</Name>
    <Path>C:\Users\richa\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\Packages\Community\ifly-aircraft-737max8\Data\Tool\737MAX_Plugin.exe</Path>
    <CommandLine>auto</CommandLine>
    <NewConsole>False</NewConsole>
  </Launch.Addon>

 

2 hours ago, wijnroks said:

Axis Range settings: center deadzone 0.04 for pitch and roll but not enabled (?), Backlash both 0.001

Axis force settings: Default, max speed 450 TAS (I use TAS under General)

Autopilot: completely disabled. So, no yoke movements, but I can live with it. And I got to dislike it because disconnecting the autopilot caused a harsh and vigorous push into                      my  hands.

Hydraulics: Hydraulics force for pitch and roll 500 (inspired by your profiles in the Brunner profile cloud!) Gives a nice stiff feeling!

                    Hydraulics Failure Force 1000 for both. Use hydraulic system integrity RawData enabled.

Just got back home and started comparing my settings to yours. Some things I noticed:

Can't find a setting over here under the Axis Range settings tab called center deadzone. The deadzone setting I do see simply called Deadzone can't be set to 0.04 but only integers. Where next one would be 1 where default is 0. You also mention both being disabled, does that mean you checked the Disable checkboxes for both pitch and roll?

On the Axis force settings, did you untick the Move back checkboxes and do you have Use new force setting ticked?

Under the Autopilot tab, you have the checkboxes to enable it for each axis but down below, you also find a number of other settings. I guess these will not do any harm regardless how they are set if you already unchecked the enabled checkbox but would still be interesting to know if you touched any of them.

Here are a few screenshots what it looks like over here at right now after I started with a fresh profile with default values and only changed based on your input. If you spot anything which looks different from what you see on your side, please let me know.

Will give these setting a go now and let's see what will happen.

I've never used the Brunner but there's a decent chance that it's not a yoke or manufacturer specific issue, but you just need a dead zone.  Most of the autopilot problems people are having seem to be caused by their hardware controls sending signals and "fighting" the autopilot.

1 hour ago, Stearmandriver said:

I've never used the Brunner but there's a decent chance that it's not a yoke or manufacturer specific issue, but you just need a dead zone.  Most of the autopilot problems people are having seem to be caused by their hardware controls sending signals and "fighting" the autopilot.

I think you're right but I've tried playing around with the different dead zones available in the Brunner software but to no avail.

I've created a ticket with Brunner asking for their advice.

I do love my Brunner yoke and it's amazing when it's working correctly. Compared to the yokes I've had in the past, it's in its own league. However, sometimes I wish I just had a "normal" yoke which works with everything by simply plugging it in. Maybe you need to add a bit of dead zone but other than that, no issues.

Oh well, let's see what will happen. I actually went out today and bought myself a Honeycomb Alpha in case I can't get the Brunner to work with this aircraft. I was quite lucky because it happened to be on sale today where it was almost 60% off.

4 hours ago, WebMaximus said:

Just got back home and started comparing my settings to yours. Some things I noticed:

Can't find a setting over here under the Axis Range settings tab called center deadzone. The deadzone setting I do see simply called Deadzone can't be set to 0.04 but only integers. Where next one would be 1 where default is 0. You also mention both being disabled, does that mean you checked the Disable checkboxes for both pitch and roll?

On the Axis force settings, did you untick the Move back checkboxes and do you have Use new force setting ticked?

Under the Autopilot tab, you have the checkboxes to enable it for each axis but down below, you also find a number of other settings. I guess these will not do any harm regardless how they are set if you already unchecked the enabled checkbox but would still be interesting to know if you touched any of them.

Here are a few screenshots what it looks like over here at right now after I started with a fresh profile with default values and only changed based on your input. If you spot anything which looks different from what you see on your side, please let me know.

Will give these setting a go now and let's see what will happen.

Richard, you software looks entirely different as mine. Center deadzone is just below Synchronisation. Do you have the latest Software version v 5.7.23? 

4 minutes ago, wijnroks said:

Richard, you software looks entirely different as mine. Center deadzone is just below Synchronisation. Do you have the latest Software version v 5.7.23? 

Now, that's interesting and gives me some hope.

Normally, I'm notified whenever there's a new version available but looks that has not worked this time because I'm on 5.4.7. Will make sure to download and install the latest version and see what difference that will make.

What Brunner yoke do you have? Thinking maybe my yoke is getting too old because I had it for many years. It's the CLS-E and I know there has been new models. Of course the NG which is cheaper but I think there might also be a new CLS-E version.

48 minutes ago, WebMaximus said:

Now, that's interesting and gives me some hope.

Normally, I'm notified whenever there's a new version available but looks that has not worked this time because I'm on 5.4.7. Will make sure to download and install the latest version and see what difference that will make.

What Brunner yoke do you have? Thinking maybe my yoke is getting too old because I had it for many years. It's the CLS-E and I know there has been new models. Of course the NG which is cheaper but I think there might also be a new CLS-E version.

I use the same one, CLS-E. Working great. But I must admit, sometimes I think my life would be easier with a Yoko. Then, which settings are realistic? 🤥

29 minutes ago, wijnroks said:

I use the same one, CLS-E. Working great. But I must admit, sometimes I think my life would be easier with a Yoko. Then, which settings are realistic? 🤥

So, when you're using the same yoke and aircraft as I do and now we're also on the same version of CLS2Sim, clearly it must be something I'm doing wrong to have this work.

I just did yet another test after downloading and installing the latest version of CLS2Sim (5.7.23) and then tried to mimic the settings you mentioned but still no go...the AP in the MAX doesn't want to play whenever I have my Brunner yoke connected and CLS2Sim running.

These are my setting right now. Can you please compare to yours and see if you can spot anything different or something I missed?

I also just noticed the Trim tab when grabbing these screenshots for you which I completely forgot about when doing the testing. Maybe the settings on that tab needs to be unchecked as well?

10 hours ago, edu2703 said:

Can anyone tell me if the Ifly 737 MAX can handle sim rate acceleration relatively well, like 4x at least without going crazy?

No, it can only handle 2x.
It's usable at 2x, wanders a little on the LNAV side of things at times, but speed and altitude are stable. Ultimately it follows the flight plan and flies more or less in a straight line.
At 4x its essentially unusable. It holds speed and altitude mostly but the lateral navigation is all over the place, you will end up just flying a series of S turns. It won't even hold a heading at 4x either, just wanders all over the place and totally unable to fly in a straight line.
I tried EGKK-CYYT at 4x and almost ran out of fuel after all the constant S turns added several hundred miles to my flight!

3 hours ago, wijnroks said:

I use the same one, CLS-E. Working great. But I must admit, sometimes I think my life would be easier with a Yoko. Then, which settings are realistic? 🤥

I went from a CLS-NG to a Yoko+ for exactly this reason.  I do miss the force feedback sometimes but overall it's a nicer experience not having to fiddle with anything. 

I'm holding out hope that MSFS24 will have some kind of built in FFB.

2 hours ago, atco said:

No, it can only handle 2x.
It's usable at 2x, wanders a little on the LNAV side of things at times, but speed and altitude are stable. Ultimately it follows the flight plan and flies more or less in a straight line.
At 4x its essentially unusable. It holds speed and altitude mostly but the lateral navigation is all over the place, you will end up just flying a series of S turns. It won't even hold a heading at 4x either, just wanders all over the place and totally unable to fly in a straight line.
I tried EGKK-CYYT at 4x and almost ran out of fuel after all the constant S turns added several hundred miles to my flight!

Ok, thanks. I can survive with sim rate 2x at least. I don't plan on doing many long-hauls on it. Maybe the direct GOL flights from Brazil to the US. BSB-MIA and FOR-MIA are flights of almost 8 hours and BSB-MCO is over 8 hours. I believe these are the longest flights currently made by the 737 MAX 8.

I'm really curious to know what this WT 737 MAX that will come with MSFS 2024 is like. I don't expect it to have advanced systems like the Ifly, but I hope they're at least decent. A/P, VNAV and TOD working well, decent systems, acceptable textures and modelling. If it has all of that, I might even settle for it until PMDG launches its 737 MAX and then we'll have direct comparisons of the two and see which one is better.

Edited October 20, 20241 yr by edu2703

13 hours ago, mac44 said:

strange the app never launches with msfs so now just have to manually launch and it works

Works perfect for me now, if you load MSFS the App opens, if you close MSFS the App closes aswell, so all fine now.

I had problems with the App after first install so as you hopefully know you can set this App over the IFLY manager to write it to the exe.xml file and you can delete this entry.

So i delete the entry after my first install because it did not realy work well and install it again and since i did this it works perfect..

cheers 😉

4 hours ago, pmplayer said:

Works perfect for me now, if you load MSFS the App opens, if you close MSFS the App closes aswell, so all fine now.

I had problems with the App after first install so as you hopefully know you can set this App over the IFLY manager to write it to the exe.xml file and you can delete this entry.

So i delete the entry after my first install because it did not realy work well and install it again and since i did this it works perfect..

cheers 😉

thanks I was fully aware of this - strangely having to open it manually - so to reset it do you just hit the delete button and reinstall the .xmp - assume it just adds a line to the MSFS start up config file?

13 hours ago, WebMaximus said:

So, when you're using the same yoke and aircraft as I do and now we're also on the same version of CLS2Sim, clearly it must be something I'm doing wrong to have this work.

I just did yet another test after downloading and installing the latest version of CLS2Sim (5.7.23) and then tried to mimic the settings you mentioned but still no go...the AP in the MAX doesn't want to play whenever I have my Brunner yoke connected and CLS2Sim running.

These are my setting right now. Can you please compare to yours and see if you can spot anything different or something I missed?

I also just noticed the Trim tab when grabbing these screenshots for you which I completely forgot about when doing the testing. Maybe the settings on that tab needs to be unchecked as well?

My trim settings are unticked. But I tried a flight with your trim settings activated, D8 2613 ESSA-EFHK to deal with your eventually Swedish atmospheric oddities but everything went fine. I am sorry that I cannot help you. Eventually have a look in the MSFS assistance settings, something could interfere from there.

Really odd but happy to know it's working for you and thanks for trying to help 🙂