Just saw a video on YouTube of some cat firing up a bunch of stuff during the alpha. It did not give me good vibes. Basically, JF Pipers don't have working avionics as of now. Free Flight starts outside the aircraft and since the doors aren't coded to bring you into cockpit, the only way you are getting in is by switching the camera. License issues. PMDG DC-6 only has Engine 1 operational... Some aircraft don't even load in at all. I have a feeling this is going to be a bumpy road... For sure, we will get there, but I no longer expect aircraft to "just work" out of the box. Installers will have to be updated, at the very least. A2A Comanche doesn't even load in whatsoever. I expect that devs will make some basic compatibility patches initially, but for the 2024 features to be implemented, I expect LOTS of upgrade fees to pay. This will certainly allow me to trim the fat on my aircraft collection, but I am not installing anything not 2024 native compliant and will have to make do with the higher fidelity default aircraft for a while, there is sure plenty - the ini Airbuses, some default Boeing stuff, etc... But will probably have to wait a while for upgrades on my 3rd party payware aircraft. Same with scenery - runway, taxiway textures need work, some airports aren't looking the way they are meant to... Basically, no 3rd party stuff for me until everything is updated, and yes, I expect to have to shell out a bunch of money for my fav birds again - PMDG, Leonardo, etc... That's just the reality hitting now. I don't think there was a more graceful way through this, so I understand that it's just growing pains, but here's hope that 4 years later we won't be in the same boat again. 

 

Here is the video. 

 

But it was a tech alpha? 

The way I took what asobo said on compatibility was that their own marketplace stuff would work. Like DLC produced either from Microsoft or Asobo.

I don't think it was ever promised that all marketplace addons would work without any updates.  If anything, Asobo said these SHOULD work.  Hehe.  Idk though, a lot of us tested random 3rd party community stuff in the tech alpha and had them mostly working.  I'd expect some small dev updates to get most of my favorite addons functional.  

The Tech Alpha was very cut down, it could have been missing some items that would cause these aircraft not to work.

4 minutes ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

Just saw a video on YouTube of some cat firing up a bunch of stuff during the alpha. It did not give me good vibes. Basically, JF Pipers don't have working avionics as of now. Free Flight starts outside the aircraft and since the doors aren't coded to bring you into cockpit, the only way you are getting in is by switching the camera. License issues. PMDG DC-6 only has Engine 1 operational... Some aircraft don't even load in at all. I have a feeling this is going to be a bumpy road... For sure, we will get there, but I no longer expect aircraft to "just work" out of the box. Installers will have to be updated, at the very least. A2A Comanche doesn't even load in whatsoever. I expect that devs will make some basic compatibility patches initially, but for the 2024 features to be implemented, I expect LOTS of upgrade fees to pay. This will certainly allow me to trim the fat on my aircraft collection, but I am not installing anything not 2024 native compliant and will have to make do with the higher fidelity default aircraft for a while, there is sure plenty - the ini Airbuses, some default Boeing stuff, etc... But will probably have to wait a while for upgrades on my 3rd party payware aircraft. Same with scenery - runway, taxiway textures need work, some airports aren't looking the way they are meant to... Basically, no 3rd party stuff for me until everything is updated, and yes, I expect to have to shell out a bunch of money for my fav birds again - PMDG, Leonardo, etc... That's just the reality hitting now. I don't think there was a more graceful way through this, so I understand that it's just growing pains, but here's hope that 4 years later we won't be in the same boat again. 

 

Here is the video. 

 

You made a decent point, but it’s entirely undermined and erased by the immediate and unsupported dive into conspiracy theories. 
 

I have no doubt that there will be plenty of patches, especially as in regards to licensing and DRM (ever owned P3D?) but there is absolutely no supporting evidence that there will be some sort of massive rollout of fees from developers, you’d actually have to ignore everything you’ve been told in the run-up to this launch. 
 

Conspiracy theory. 

From what I understand, developers (at least those selling on the marketplace) will get SDK and sim access tomorrow, right? So we'll soon find out how much work will be required.

8 minutes ago, outermarker said:

From what I understand, developers (at least those selling on the marketplace) will get SDK and sim access tomorrow, right? So we'll soon find out how much work will be required.

Guess that depends if the pre-release SDK has a NDA or not.

That might answer some questions on delays by FSL.....

I'm experiencing deja vu.

That video title should be "BREAKING MS2024 TELEMETRY TEST WITH THIRD PARTY ADD-ONS!!"!!!

I think the fact that these aircraft mostly loaded in one way or another, especially in a cut down tech alpha, suggests that getting them up and running in 24 will not be an enormous job. The initial switch to 24 will become a stampede as airports and aircraft become compatible and devs won’t want to be left behind. 
 

Look at the P3D devs who failed to get in on the MSFS act fast enough - they got crushed in less than two years. 

Best we wait and see, all will be revealed in four weeks at most. If it the worst happens, as said above, i will also be very selective in what gets upgraded. Too many also rans, that i wont be bothering to update.

42 minutes ago, mspencer said:

You made a decent point, but it’s entirely undermined and erased by the immediate and unsupported dive into conspiracy theories. 
 

I have no doubt that there will be plenty of patches, especially as in regards to licensing and DRM (ever owned P3D?) but there is absolutely no supporting evidence that there will be some sort of massive rollout of fees from developers, you’d actually have to ignore everything you’ve been told in the run-up to this launch. 
 

Conspiracy theory. 

No conspiracy theories whatsoever. For instance, Black Box have already announced that 2024 versions of their aircraft will "ABSOLUTELY have extra charge" associated with it (directly from their announcement on social media as well as the official forum... I'd expect it would be reasonable for devs to want to maximize ROI on updating their stuff to the 2024 standard. Big Radials have also said that the pricing WILL be different on the 2024 versions of their aircraft. I would suspect PMDG are also going to charge for upgrades. No conspiracy theories at all. Just a feeling I am getting. 

Yes, it may be true that the tech alpha was missing stuff in order for the aircraft to work. We really won't see the TRUE picture until 2024 is released. These are just some things I have to begin making peace with - it's highly likely that we will have to pay to have our aircraft fully take advantage of the 2024 sim. It's simply tempering my own expectations. 

We also do have to keep in mind that there are developers who are no longer active. Wing 42 comes to mind with their Boeing 247. That will unfortunately likely to never receive a native 2024 treatment. There are others, though less popular. RealPhysics had a Dorand biplane out on SimMarket rather early on, but it hasn't been updated in years and RealPhysics don't seem to have any other products released since. I think Iris' Jabiru has been sitting with no updates for a long time. Nemeth had a Yak-18T that hasn't been updated for a while. These will all likely fade into obscurity for me. Some early purchases for 2020 will just remain as sign of the times for me, like the BlueMesh amphibious flying boat - let's face it, I never really fly it anyway and there is no need for it now. I have 335 frames to select from currently. I suspect that number will decrease a bunch once 24 is on my machine. Same reason XP12 only has native XP12 aircraft for me. I also have no FSX aircraft ported to 2020 - fully native creations are likely to be the most stable ones, and let's face it - now that walkarounds etc are going to be available, it would feel weird to have older things that don't support native 2024 features. 

Wait and see.

I think the more custom the flight model, such as A2A, PMDG and the like, the longer it will take to make the changes for 2024. Captain Obvious, I know, but if the aircraft uses the stock flight model, what is there to change? However, if you spent week/months creating your own flight model by tweaking and interceding between the default behavior and a proper flight model, you (the developer) will have to visit each change you've made and see what's working and what needs re-adjusted---a long process. 

I suspect it will be months after release before we see our favorite aircraft updated for 2024. 

1 hour ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

No conspiracy theories whatsoever. For instance, Black Box have already announced that 2024 versions of their aircraft will "ABSOLUTELY have extra charge" associated with it (directly from their announcement on social media as well as the official forum... I'd expect it would be reasonable for devs to want to maximize ROI on updating their stuff to the 2024 standard. Big Radials have also said that the pricing WILL be different on the 2024 versions of their aircraft. I would suspect PMDG are also going to charge for upgrades. No conspiracy theories at all. Just a feeling I am getting. 

You've named two very small developers with limited portfolios, and are pursuing a conspiracy theory about the third. There is zero supporting evidence for anything you're saying, except for Big Radials and Blackbox, one I've never purchased from, and the other has had a... contentious re-emergence into the market based on their financial decisions in the past (Airbus Prologue calling...). That dev is also infamously cantankerous and takes stances that are unnecessary and alienating to customers, because what he says goes.

Let's be clear, there is currently zero evidence that this will be PMDG's model, or the model of any major dev, because, simply none of them have said this. In fact, you have to engage in willful ignorance here, because many devs have gone on the record saying there will be no charge for 2024 compatibility, obviously barring unforeseen circumstances. Let's be clear about another tihng here, those unforeseen circumstances have not been demonstrated by the stripped down Alpha tech demo (since all of you ignored the warnings) and have not been demonstrated by any of the public demonstrations of the simulator.

Again, this is a conspiracy theory.

 

I'm not even against conspiracy theories, I have a lot of fun favorite ones about JFK, but this is absolutely ridiculous.