7 hours ago, kiek said:

MS is making a game of MSFS, but a flight simulator is not a game... At least not to me.

You can consider it a game or simulator or whatever you want. But when MSFS 2024 has various improvements in core simulation areas and basically is a superset of MSFS 2020, *and* it also increases digital twin earth visual fidelity, *and* it also adds the ability to simulate aviation activities/careers that, you know, happen in real life with all those real pilots flying aircraft in all corners of the real world do... then what you're trying to imply with that "MS is making a game of MSFS" remark is quite off the mark I'm afraid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

36 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

You can consider it a game or simulator or whatever you want. But when MSFS 2024 has various improvements in core simulation areas and basically is a superset of MSFS 2020, *and* it also increases digital twin earth visual fidelity, *and* it also adds the ability to simulate aviation activities/careers that, you know, happen in real life with all those real pilots flying aircraft in all corners of the real world do... then what you're trying to imply with that "MS is making a game of MSFS" remark is quite off the mark I'm afraid ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

That's your opinion, no problem. You probably have never had a ride in a professional Level-D flight simulator.

 

Just now, kiek said:

That's your opinion, no problem. You probably have never had a ride in a professional Level-D flight simulator.

 

Ah yes, the same old cringy, antiquated spiel when we have the tired old 'game' discussion among the dinosaurs of this hobby. Always the same, sad attempt at silencing people by alluding to the fact that they need to be commercial pilots, have extensive level-D simulator knowledge or have a picture of themselves in their avatar, sitting in a tin can rented plane for their short hop to keep the dust off their PPL. 

I already have a career 😀

But seriously, would rather look forward to flying fake planes on my days I have "off."

However people should fly how they want to fly. Want to be a GA pilot today? Cool! Pretend you're flying to the main airport for your airline career? Check check!

Want to instead debate ridiculous things like AI, yellow tint, ATC and derail every post on Avsim? Check. Apparently all of these things are allowed here. 

However after reading some of the comments here....career mode does look kind of enticing and fun....

Also its abundantly clear avsim has trolls that are relentless on here

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by Sonosusto

99% likelihood I'll use 2024 in exactly the same way I use it now. Big airliners to & from big airports.

Stalker 2 is coming out so there's my career mode 

1 hour ago, kiek said:

That's your opinion, no problem. You probably have never had a ride in a professional Level-D flight simulator.

Wow super impressive, can I please have your autograph? Oh, unfortunately that still doesn't mean your hot take is any more valid, due to the fact that MSFS 2024 is a superset of 2020.
 

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by lwt1971

6 hours ago, regis9 said:

I’m in the middle of those responses.  Will probably give it a try, see if I like it.  But generally, one of the things I love about flightsim is the freedom to do what I feel like and lack of structure, so I can’t see the career mode being somewhere I spend a lot of time.  I barely touched missions in the current sim.

All that said, if it helps draw in more people and their money to the sim, all the better.

If you take a bit out of your free flight time to do the check rides, you’ll have an insane amount of random “missions.” Point being, it’s not some rigid system. 

Many Moons ago, in the nineties of the last Century, I played one of my preferred flight simulators of all times - Flight Assignment ATP Rev D, which a friend kindly purchased for me in one of his visits to the USA... Later I also purchased and used Airline Simulator 2, the sequel of ATP.

Both created an "ideal" in my simmer mind - that of one day having a flight simulator with pretty much all of the features MSFS 2020, and now extended by MSFS 2024, will offer. A Career mode was one of them.

The only problem is that I am now 60, and feel a bit ashamed, I have to confess, when I feel myself playing MSFS in the cockpit of the airliners I used with it, pretending I am a real CPT or FO 🙂

Well, I will surely give the Career mode a fair try, and although the description doesn't make it look very detailled / complex in it's structure, I am sure it'll be good enough for me to play with.

A similar appeal to missions and tasks and "challenges" was present in what was still my biggest surprise until today, all being taken ino the necessary adjustments due to modern technology and resources - MS FLIGHT !  That sim occupies, together with FLIGHT UNLIMITED 2 and 3, the top of my general purpose flight simulators rating 🙂 (but MSFS is slowly getting there too...).

9 hours ago, kiek said:

Me too. MS is making a game of MSFS, but a flight simulator is not a game... At least not to me.

Again this silly take. 

The career mode has nothing to do with it being "a game" (all home flight simulators are games anyway, sorry to burst your bubble).

Hardcore flight simulators have had career modes since the beginning of time. It's called the campaign. Basically all military flight simulators have it. DCS World, which is one of the most complex and complete flight simulators out there has TENS of campaigns.  These are all "career modes."

1 hour ago, kiek said:

That's your opinion, no problem. You probably have never had a ride in a professional Level-D flight simulator.

 

You seem to be pretending that's some sort of special privilege that makes your opinion more valuable.

I can guarantee that it isn't. It's not special (getting a ride in a Level-D flight simulator is as easy as swiping your credit card nowadays), and it doesn't give your position any more solidity. It never had any. 

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by Abriael

36 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

If you take a bit out of your free flight time to do the check rides, you’ll have an insane amount of random “missions.” Point being, it’s not some rigid system. 

Ahh ok that’s good to know.  Reading through this thread it sounds like the missions are more dynamic than I was thinking.

Good to have options either way 👍

Hopefully the check rides don’t humble me too much haha.  I doubt yelling at the screen “I’ve been simming since FS5!” will convince the virtual check pilot to give me a pass 😀

Definitely going to enjoy the career as a diversion from free flights. It's certainly a very relevant part of simulating a pilot's job, and it's great that we have it.

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by Abriael

No. Totally irrelevant to my kind of simming (scheduled real-life airliner operations).

1 minute ago, Fiorentoni said:

No. Totally irrelevant to my kind of simming (scheduled real-life airliner operations).

There are going to be airliner jobs as well. From vip to tubeliner operation. So that may be something you’re interested in. 

2 hours ago, kiek said:

That's your opinion, no problem. You probably have never had a ride in a professional Level-D flight simulator.

 

Ha ha.  By that measure, all of us are futzing around with silly little games then.

I do use A Pilot's Life and it's primarily for the scoring piece plus it's been great as an easy way to experience lots of different routes I would not have thought of doing.  I don't like the developer's logic behind its route scheduler though.  Because he will not include a preferred distance range, and instead simply starts with whatever the actual routes are in any airline then divides them in to Short, Medium and Long you are stuck with whatever the specific airline actually does.   What this translates to for me is that an airline like UAL ends up when you choose to have your schedule comprised of Short and Medium I will get a big majority of Mediums that are way longer than I want to do which are typically between 1.5h and 3.0h.   Some airlines are very good because their actual ranges will end up producing a decent blend of flights in my preferred range.  So was the developer to simply add the logic for preferred ranges that would solve that.  And many others have complained about but he is deaf to new ideas it seems to me.  In oftentimes it's a case of hitting the 'Regenerate Schedule' button 10x to get something I want to do.   Plus, I'm not super happy with his scoring routines.  It over penalizes for nearly any landing short of greased and that's not realistic from what I read from RW pilots of the aircrafts in question.  Plus if you pause the flight during cruise you get penalized....but you can pause the flight during initial climb and final approach go figure the logic behind that.

I will have a look at Career Mode and see if it might be a way for me to segue back into some GA lighter aircraft time as now I'm all commercial airliner with Self Loading Cargo which has a very well done scoring routine as well.  These scoring elements help keep my head in the game since there are no real consequences in desktop flight simulators that makes one 100% dedicated to perfection as is the case for good pilots in the RW.  I definitely want to see the firefighting stuff as I lived in wildfire country and went thru the worst in California history in 2018.  In fact I did some of this in FSX but it was very crude.  I also would like to see what they did with medical transports as I was an ER helicopter transport RN at one point in my life.  All of this again will hopefully become an accoutrement to my main course which will remain commercial airliner operations.