I saw a comment saying that the commercial airliner career in 2024 will follow schedules but I'm not sure the source, might be from the Grand Canyon event.

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

There's two types of schedules: where you're going, and WHEN you're going. 

Where?  That changes all the time.  I'm going somewhere next month I didn't even know got airline service; turns out I'm almost the inaugural flight lol. 

But WHEN now, well... I expect realism 1000%.  If you don't have answer a call at 3a Xmas morning to go bash through a 4 leg milk run and miss the holiday with your family because you bought MSFS three days later than everyone else and so you're stuck as a junior reserve... Well, unplayable.  Real as it gets, right?  😁

3 hours ago, kiek said:

That's your opinion, no problem. You probably have never had a ride in a professional Level-D flight simulator.

 

I have.  It simulated operating an airliner.  I watched the pilots deal with various issues.  The simulator moved. It was a wonderful experience.

My PC doesn't move and my buttons are on a screen.  I simulate an airliner, using the same navigation data, procedures and checklists that I saw them use. If I am so inclined, I can deal with issues in the same way they did. There are differences of course to the depth of the simulation, but not enough with something like the Fenix A320 to call MSFS just a game.

MSFS with a 'study level' airliner is absolutely simulating an airliner and its procedures and the role of a pilot.  MSFS enabled me to understand exactly what the pilots were doing at any point in the flight.  You only have to watch some of the popular real world pilots on YouTube to see how authentic MSFS is.

I personally don't understand why some get so upset when they see MSFS and simulator in the same sentence.

 

Edited November 15, 20241 yr by MrBitstFlyer

30 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I personally don't understand why some get so upset when they see MSFS and simulator in the same sentence.

Some people loved the elitist, insular, basically dead flight simulation community that existed before MSFS. It gave them a way to feel "special" I suppose, superior to all these "normal" gamers. 

They have an axe to grind with Microsoft Flight Simulator for opening the community and making flight simulation easily accessible to everyone again. They begrudgingly use it for practical reasons, but they can't resist the temptation to bash it. 

Edited November 16, 20241 yr by Abriael

Only if or when I can use add-on airplanes. 

3 hours ago, regis9 said:

Ahh ok that’s good to know.  Reading through this thread it sounds like the missions are more dynamic than I was thinking.

Good to have options either way 👍

Hopefully the check rides don’t humble me too much haha.  I doubt yelling at the screen “I’ve been simming since FS5!” will convince the virtual check pilot to give me a pass 😀

Haha 🤣 classic. I’ve thought that too! Haha

 

 

1 hour ago, Abriael said:

Some people loved the elitist, insular, basically dead flight simulation community that existed before MSFS. It gave them a way to feel "special" I suppose, superior to all these "normal" gamers. 

They have an axe to grind with Microsoft Flight Simulator for opening the community and making flight simulation easily accessible to everyone again. They begrudgingly use it for practical reasons, but they can't resist the temptation to bash it. 

Very well said! 

I might check it out, but I'll probably be too impatient to spend a lot of time on it. I think it's a great feature to let newcomers get used to swimming simming though 👌 I remember Rod Machado teaching me "how to fly" (or was it John and Martha King?) back in the day - years before I got my RL PPL. But those flight lessons (I went all the way to ATPL in the sim) inspired me to get flying lessons IRL.

Edited November 16, 20241 yr by Cpt_Piett
autocorrect aaargh

24 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I might check it out, but I'll probably be too impatient to spend a lot of time on it. I think it's a great feature to let newcomers get used to swimming simming though 👌 I remember Rod Machado teaching me "how to fly" (or was it John and Martha King?) back in the day - years before I got my RL PPL. But those flight lessons (I went all the way to ATPL in the sim) inspired me to get flying lessons IRL.

Appreciate you keeping on the actual topic and sharing something good on here. 

Career mode might alleviate what many may presume of "monotony" in flight simulation. Which for me is not monotony at all as I love flying anywhere for any reasons. 

Like doing "milk runs" around Alaska using various planes including smaller 737, dc6 and then pretending to be a rich person owning a Duke haha.

Why are people talking the definition of simulators again? 

Go away or stick to the main topic.

Edited November 16, 20241 yr by Sonosusto

1 hour ago, Romeo_Tango said:

Only if or when I can use add-on airplanes. 

You can if they’re built properly (and on the market place)

20 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I might check it out, but I'll probably be too impatient to spend a lot of time on it. I think it's a great feature to let newcomers get used to swimming simming though 👌 I remember Rod Machado teaching me "how to fly" (or was it John and Martha King?) back in the day - years before I got my RL PPL. But those flight lessons (I went all the way to ATPL in the sim) inspired me to get flying lessons IRL.

Not much point now but I'd have loved to see one of your great videos on passing that infernal IFR fs9 /fsx exam! 

The multi engine and atpl were plain umm sailing after that imo! 

We need hardcore tests back in the sim. Both gamers and simmers like a challenge, just make it a trophy for the gamers and a printable certificate for the simmers and it's sold. 

Yes before trophies sims gave us certificates we could print and mount on our walls. I'm not ashamed 😁

I'm looking forward to using it for all the kinds of flying I think should be challenging and fun that I dont do now. Crop dusting, banner towing, sky diving...if those are done right, it should be an enjoyable experience. I feel based off of some of the post in this thread that beyond the two camps of Yeah and Nah, the kinds of flights we do currently also play a big factor in how we approach this new career mode. 

As an example, I enjoy flying study level small GA planes on short hops and avoid all the PMDG, Fenix Class B airport schedule flights. So for me to go and fly a C172 to earn a certificate to fly my next career mission, its not that big of step backwards or sideways from what I do now. However, if a simmer is hardcore into flying the tubeliners in a very detailed/realistic manner, then having to start out back at the bottom would be a way bigger gap.

All that said, if you are a simmer with no real life pilot licenses then one would think that they should view this as a great way put the proof in the pudding. As opposed to a simmer who also has taken and passed various real life checkrides for the available ratings. I'm saying this blindly without knowing exact how close to life these checkrides in career mode will be.

For myself, I earned my Part 107 UAS remote pilot ticket back in 2016 when the FAA 1st created the test. Its 100% taken from the PPL written minus the communications portion. I was so happy that day when I passed but really couldnt share it with friends because they would say, oh so you can fly and I would have to explain to them the deal. But the feeling of passing the test was a huge rush. That stuck with me for for the two years it was valid until I had to go and retake the test to stay current. So I took the UAS test, the PPL written and did my medical all on the same day. My feeling was after that all I had to do was solo and I could feel proud of myself and answer that question of, you can fly, with a yes by holding at least a Student Pilot rating. I'm now ASEL and ASES rated with flights logged in a sailplane and Helo as well.

So who knows what fire this career mode my light for young people interested in aviation if Asobo does it justice and makes the missions/checkrides realistic and rewarding if a simple toy drone test got me to get off of my (20 years as a simmer at that time) rear end and make the leap.

No

Fortunately for me its a NO as I have a life outside of sitting in front of a screen for hours playing a game. Kudos to those who have the time though. A to B flyer here.

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Translating that proof-of-concept into MSFS 2024 has been an incredible challenge for the team, but a proof point really began to take shape a few months ago that assured them that the path they were on was the right one. It was during the moment when a search-and-rescue (SAR) pilot played an early build of the flight simulator.

“He told us how awesome the experience in the simulator was and how closely it resembled the real-world SAR experience,” exclaims Neumann. “We were so excited to get that feedback at that pivotal moment. It happened again a few months later when we visited a Sécurité Civile operations center (the civile defense agency of the French government) and had the firefighting pilots test our missions in the simulator. While they told us that we did not get everything perfect, they were super impressed. Those moments were critical validation points for the team – especially as our ambition is not to simply give simmers something interesting to do. Our goal is to resemble the experience that pilots in the real-world go through as closely as we can.”

This is neat