3 hours ago, fsiscool said:

So is 2020. The only difference after marketplace rollout is, that in 2024 world updates and addons per default are streamed. You can switch off that streaming, let 2024 download everything you wish and store permanently on your disk. Then 2024 will work exactly like 2020. You will be one who pays for storage in that case though, so that disadvantage remains. MS does not force you to use their disks...

2020 is NOT 100% Streaming! There is no way to download anything until 2024 is FIXED!

6 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Well, some did... and since they are not putting 2TB SSDs in X-Boxes...

It seems clear from their forum that the My Library function did not make it into the sim before the release deadline. That was really unfortunate, but it is what it is.

As others have said, once that feature is released, you can use 2024 pretty much the same as 2020 in this regard; download all your aircraft and other assets, all the world updates, all your additional scenery, right to your hard drive. Remember 2020 streams all the weather, traffic, and a good part of the base scenery. It is a streaming sim, the only difference here is that 2024 can be customized to stream or not stream; it has access to and the ability to stream the world updates something 2020 seeming could not do. For someone like me, who dreaded nearly 200G of downloads when I re-installed the sim this flexibility is quite nice. 

It is an incomplete product/launch. We need to just give it time, which is something virtually every long-term simmer said on these forums prior to 2024 launching.

They care about x-box, we are second fiddle to Asobo and Microsoft!!! Hence why there is no option as seen in 2020, because X-Box users can't download all the data we are requesting! 

20 hours ago, james42 said:

What would happen if for example, it went down mid-flight? Is that the end of the flight or can the sim recover easily? 

FS2024 will pause after about 30 seconds of no internet with a big notice covering most of the screen telling you that it requires a constant internet connection.

If your connection is restored the sim goes to the pause screen and stays there.

2 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

FS2024 will pause after about 30 seconds of no internet with a big notice covering most of the screen telling you that it requires a constant internet connection.

If your connection is restored the sim goes to the pause screen and stays there.

Given the commonality of streaming going offline in 2020 this is concerning.  At least in 2020 the sim continues and you lose online services but most of the time they are restored.  

If that behavior now leads to what you mentioned above I can see this being a big issue, especially with us set up for long hauls.

Very interesting and a big reason to stick with 2020 until this is resolved.

9 minutes ago, psolk said:

If that behavior now leads to what you mentioned above I can see this being a big issue, especially with us set up for long hauls.

Very interesting and a big reason to stick with 2020 until this is resolved.

I've just re-tested this because my observation was made before the recent patch.

You get a small message at the right-hand side of the screen at first warning you that your connection is unstable.

After about 30 seconds you get a full screen error message stating Connection to network lost and a spinning circle appears along with a notice about the sim requiring a constant internet connection.

After restoring your internet, the full screen message goes away and you're at the pause screen same as what you get when pressing ESC. Your aircraft does not continue to fly.
 

3 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

I've just re-tested this because my observation was made before the recent patch.

You get a small message at the right-hand side of the screen at first warning you that your connection is unstable.

After about 30 seconds you get a full screen error message stating Connection to network lost and a spinning circle appears along with a notice about the sim requiring a constant internet connection.

After restoring your internet, the full screen message goes away and you're at the pause screen same as what you get when pressing ESC. Your aircraft does not continue to fly.
 

Yeah, that is a show stopper for me personally unless they have resolved all of the times you got "offline" messages in 2020 but thank you for taking the time to confirm! 

I wonder if the Library or whatever they are calling it will still result in this behavior if your connection is lost...  

 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by psolk

1 minute ago, psolk said:

Yeah, that is a show stopper for me personally unless they have resolved all of the times you got "offline" messages in 2020 but thank you for taking the time to confirm! 

I wonder if the Library or whatever they are calling it will still result in this behavior if your connection is lost during a long haul.... 

 

I forgot to mention that this is what I've observed in an area that I've spent several hours flying around now, mostly in the 172 or some of the other small GA aircraft. I do have the cache turned on and this area should have had ample time to download and populate the cache.

You will get "timed out" even if your aircraft is sitting stationary on the ground.

Hello,

I am confident that ASOBO is dedicated to sorting this mess out. I feel that they  are passionate about flight simulator.

What worries me is that I could be excluded from FS2024 forever because my internet connection is poor and the optic fiber is not scheduled yet in my area. Usually I fly within a 150 NM radius from my departure airport. I would like to have the option to download my intented flying area in advance. It may not be such a large amount of data after all and could be stored on a dedicated drive.

Does anyone know the size of data in relation to the surface of an area (150x150NM for example)?

An other option could be to download the area limited to your flight plan.

20 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

After restoring your internet, the full screen message goes away and you're at the pause screen same as what you get when pressing ESC. Your aircraft does not continue to fly

I think this is because at the moment even the aircraft you are flying is streamed. So no connect basically means nothing can happen. Once we have the aircraft in our own libraries this may change. Asobo addressed this in one of the Q and As, and said as long as you are past the authentication process the sim will continue to run if the connection is lost. We will have to wait and see but I am not drawing any long term implications from what we are seeing now.

What I do think is that Asobo has a lot to explain and the sooner they do the better, at least for the reputation of their product.

41 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

They care about x-box, we are second fiddle to Asobo and Microsoft!!! Hence why there is no option as seen in 2020, because X-Box users can't download all the data we are requesting! 

Yes, they care a lot about x-box and we should too because without x-box there would be no MSFS 2020 or 2024 and we would be back in P3D. 

The plan is to give PC users the ability to download the same assets as in 2020; the functionality was not completed before release so we are stuck with full streaming; when that changes 2024 will be basically the same as 2020.

2 minutes ago, Cognita said:

I think this is because at the moment even the aircraft you are flying is streamed. So no connect basically means nothing can happen. Once we have the aircraft in our own libraries this may change. Asobo addressed this in one of the Q and As, and said as long as you are past the authentication process the sim will continue to run if the connection is lost.

Aircraft downloading begins at the aircraft selection screen. You will see this if you go into the liveries section and start scrolling through the different choices. It takes a bit of time for the new livery to display on screen the 1st time you pick it.  My impression is that aircraft are being cached locally since selecting the same aircraft again at a later session seems to happen quite quickly.

The point about passing the authentication process is false at least for the time being. For those interested in testing this for themselves there is a little tool called Net Disabler which can be used to turn your internet on or off at will. Available here: Net Disabler v1.1 |

 

17 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

My impression is that aircraft are being cached locally since selecting the same aircraft again at a later session seems to happen quite quickly.

Yea, that would make sense, but what is cached and what is streamed to the plane is not clear. I have seen reports of engines being absent or pieces of the plane disappearing while in flight or on the ground. And then there is the data needed for the instruments and how that is processed and accessed. There are just a lot of variables. What it seems we can say is that at the moment if you lose your connection, or it degrades to a certain point, you will not be able to play; there is no offline mode to switch too at the moment -- at least I could not find it.

17 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

The point about passing the authentication process is false

Yes, but I think this might be because they have not enabled My Library. So at the moment you really need to stream everything. I wonder if this changes once they introduce My Library and its associated functionality.

I agree, that if it becomes unplayable and just freezes if a connection is lost or degrades, that is kind of a deal breaker and even I may go back to 2020.

 

10 minutes ago, Cognita said:

 

Yea, that would make sense, but what is cached and what is streamed to the plane is not clear. I have seen reports of engines being absent or pieces of the plane disappearing while in flight or on the ground. 

 

Someone suggested letting the sim sit at the Ready to fly screen for a bit before entering the aircraft. If you bring up the task manager with CTRL-SHIFT-ESC you can monitor internet activity, wait until it settles down, then click the button to fly. Using this method I haven't noticed any odd problems with aircraft so far.

Unfortunately the sim is re-downloading "something" every time you do a free flight, even with the same aircraft at the same airport. I've turned off all AI traffic, live traffic, multiplayer and real weather so that I'm loading into a completely static scene and the sim is still doing network activity before I've even touched the controls. I've seen brief spikes of up to 700 Mbps.

 

14 minutes ago, JSmith2112 said:

Unfortunately the sim is re-downloading "something" every time you do a free flight, even with the same aircraft at the same airport. I've turned off all AI traffic, live traffic, multiplayer and real weather so that I'm loading into a completely static scene and the sim is still doing network activity before I've even touched the controls. I've seen brief spikes of up to 700 Mbps.

Does it continue if you just sit there? Or does it fall down quite low. 

34 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Does it continue if you just sit there? Or does it fall down quite low. 

It settles down to a few Kbs every few seconds once everything is loaded in.