5 minutes ago, AnkH said:

That is a true statement, observable throughout IT. I wonder if it is because most people have no clue about IT, programming etc. (including me) and are just happy if it «kinda» works. But honestly, if all branches would work like IT, world would stop functioning in two weeks 🤣 Imagine a car being sold in a state as many software? Or health products? Or even food, having food products with a QA on a IT or software level, people would be poisened all day long. A mystery to me in todays ages.

 

Me "I ordered a cheese burger, I got the burger.... But where's the cheese?"

Jorg "oh well I'm super excited to tell you that it's coming in a free update, yes a free update in a couple of months time"

Just imagine 🤣

I’m sure most people know my disdain for Asobo by now but I do not blame Jorg at all other than maybe not playing his own game…

 

this falls directly at the arrogance and incompetence of Asobo and I’m sure they just feed Jorg what everyone wants to hear. 
 

Jorg is not the issue here. 

3 minutes ago, SierraDelta said:

Well, 4 years ago your opinion was the opposite. Take a look at your response at page 2 of the thread @Noel linked to earlier. "MSFS should have been delayed????????", your answer was a firm "No" 😉

 

Because that was a different release to this, it was new, it was fresh, we all knew that was a work in progress from day one and a lot of work was needed. 

MSFS24 was sold to us far differently and should not of come with such glaring issues as it has, that much is clearly obvious.

1 minute ago, lwt1971 said:

Nobody is forcing a gun to anyone's head to buy it early
 

it's not early, it's v1, fully released at full price

 

Just now, EGLD said:

it's not early, it's v1, fully released at full price

 

It's the end-user's choice to ultimately buy (or not) a large piece of software, regardless of the bugs in the release. By "early" I mean the initial days/weeks after release of a new sim platform. If one is averse to bugs, then it's wise not to touch the release of a whole new large software system (be it an operating system, or flight sim, or whatever else) in the early days after v1.0.
 

I'm not talking about the choice whether to buy it or not, no-one's claiming this is a mandatory purchase, we all know it's an entirely optional purchase for us all, please stop repeating that

I'm saying, this is in a terrible state to release a v1 at full price, and Microsoft and Asobo should be criticised for this

Edited December 2, 20241 yr by EGLD

3 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

If one is averse to bugs, then it's wise not to touch the release of a whole new large software system (be it an operating system, or flight sim, or whatever else) in the early days after v1.0.

Which basically underscores what MarcG and myself just wrote about the strange fact that IT is a branch people simply accept that it is like you write. Why? As mentioned, with the attitude and quality todays software release you would insta fail in almost any other branch. But why? I dont get it...

27 minutes ago, EGLD said:

I'm saying, this is in a terrible state to release a v1 at full price, and Microsoft and Asobo should be criticised for this

 

26 minutes ago, AnkH said:

Which basically underscores what MarcG and myself just wrote about the strange fact that IT is a branch people simply accept that it is like you write. Why? As mentioned, with the attitude and quality todays software release you would insta fail in almost any other branch. But why? I dont get it...

They very well can be criticized, but the market ultimately speaks.. and if there is a non-trivial portion of the flight sim end user community who're perfectly fine to adopt the sim platform in the current state (including it looks like a lot of avsimmers who consider themselves serious simmers) , then it is what it is. This is not some new phenomenon just for this game/sim, it's true for various other complex games/sims, and also enterprise software, and pretty much any software these days that's not mission critical. That is where the industry has shifted. 

So it is up to the end user to be discerning enough and buy or not buy when they feel the state/stability is right.

I'm not talking about you guys specifically, it just feels that some around here are all worked up because there is a fair amount of users who're actually enjoying MSFS 2024 despite the bugs. If continually bashing MS/Asobo/Jorg is what makes them feel more at peace, then I guess go for it 🙂 Sounds like what would better help them is to uninstall/refund and then come back at a later time to get the sim (especially if they wanted MS to delay the release, so it should be no different)
 

Edited December 2, 20241 yr by lwt1971

It's not so bad.

Today I did a flight in a hot air balloon. At 1000ft, the basket propelled itself over the balloon and even with the burner still throwing flames upward, I was able to reach 5000ft/min. Before that it was only 3-4000ft/min.

A least it made me feel better than the UI

Well, you can also sell complete rubbish to some people, examples are endless. This is for sure NOT a benchmark. If you see how some users use the sim, no wonder they are happy with it. Gaming in the third persion view trying to land a 747 on Saba they probably dont even realize that the plane they fly has retractable landing gear, so why bother 🤣🙈

Where's that "STOP HAVING FUN!!!!!!!!!!" meme again...

The article is spot on, but anyone honestly looking at the state of this sim and the state it was launched knows that. But the apologists come to every thread to defend this disaster. Once a word not allowed, always a word not allowed. 

55 minutes ago, MarcG said:

I find it utterly incredible that people are are actually willing to say it's "OK" to release a product as broken as this, as though it's just fine and yeah they'll fix it eventually. It's this type of thinking that causes the result of developers to release Early Access titles so they can use that title to defend a broken game, yet here we are with a game that was NOT labelled Early Access, sold as Version 1.0 so to speak with hundreds of issues and many game breaking ones, but nah it's fine it's ok good job well done.

Only in the software world is this attitude acceptable and to an extent accepted, It beggars belief it really does!

 

Two weeks since release and two patches already. Next week a bigger patch has been announced.  

I think everybody would like all software to be perfect at release.  The only difference is how one reacts to a problem. One can either enjoy what is there or just throw the toys out of the pram and complain bitterly.  I prefer to enjoy what is there now, and be quite content to let MS/Osobo fix the release issues.

If I have to fly a particular aircraft, or use a utility that hasn't been ported to 2024, I can do so in 2020 in the meantime.

14 minutes ago, iborg1979 said:

Where's that "STOP HAVING FUN!!!!!!!!!!" meme again...

literally no-one is saying anything close to that

i referenced people who are happy with fs2024 in it's current state because the bugs aren't affecting how they use the sim, purely because this is being used as a direct counter-argument to people saying it's a buggy mess and that MS and Asobo shouldn't be criticised

lets try and keep the debate above playground level and read what people are actually saying

I guess I'm not getting it... what is so bad about the GUI?  It's simple and elegant.  I click on buttons to get to where I want to go.  To make new control bindings, I click on what I want, press a button on my peripheral and move on.  To adjust options I click on the little gear icon.  That's like universal for "click me for settings."  

What do people want in the GUI?  Or is it just the fact that it....gasp!... changed from 2020?