FSLabs review by "Into de Blue..."

[JonathanC]

Because we are discussing two planes that are close competitors and no one else seems to mind drawing comparisons between two direct competitors for MSFS 2020. 
 

The whole point of this thread in case you didn’t notice, is to help people decide whether or not to get this plane - especially if they already have the Fenix. 

Is this against the rules here on AVSim? 

[carlanthony24]

Because the video was comparing both aircrafts. Maybe give it a watch.

[UrgentSiesta]

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

What kind of point are you making " Tax is Tax,bro"?

Joking...right...?

If you're subject to tax on one addon, you're subject to tax on the other.

So there's still very little difference in price.

Bro. 

[carlanthony24]

18 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Joking...right...?

If you're subject to tax on one addon, you're subject to tax on the other.

So there's still very little difference in price.

Bro. 

Well we don't pay tax on Fenix because they cover it.

[JonathanC]

2 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Well we don't pay tax on Fenix because they cover it.

Interesting! I checked my invoices, and yeah, VAT is 0.. But I live in Canada so maybe that's why? No idea hah

[carlanthony24]

1 minute ago, JonathanC said:

Interesting! I checked my invoices, and yeah, VAT is 0.. But I live in Canada so maybe that's why? No idea hah

And, no. We’re not sneakily adding “excluding local taxes” or any of that. It’s just £49.99. All inclusive.

[UrgentSiesta]

56 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

And, no. We’re not sneakily adding “excluding local taxes” or any of that. It’s just £49.99. All inclusive.

My main point here is that many folks don't see that Fenix charge in GBP and FSL charge in USD.

Due to the exchange rate, 50gbp is equivalent to about 65 USD, depending on the day (I've seen it as high as $70.

Now the fact that y'all get whacked 20% for vat is a govt sanctioned crime....but that's for some other forum

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by UrgentSiesta

[taiyang]

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Tax is tax, bro. 

Is there a point you're making?

With the FSL tax policy, the difference is even greater. about 65$ vs 86$ in my case

[taiyang]

13 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Now the fact that y'all get whacked 20% for vat is a govt sanctioned crime....but that's for some other forum

Please note that the Fenix price already includes 8% UK VAT

[F737MAX]

1 hour ago, taiyang said:

Please note that the Fenix price already includes 8% UK VAT

There's no 8% VAT rate in the UK, only (currently) 0%, 5%, 20% and exempt.

Goods and services 'consumed' outside the UK do not typically have VAT applied to them. Therefore, by keeping the price the same for everyone, each UK owner of Fenix products has effectively cost Fenix 20% of their revenue.

[taiyang]

1 hour ago, F737MAX said:

There's no 8% VAT rate in the UK, only (currently) 0%, 5%, 20% and exempt.

Goods and services 'consumed' outside the UK do not typically have VAT applied to them. Therefore, by keeping the price the same for everyone, each UK owner of Fenix products has effectively cost Fenix 20% of their revenue.

You are right, the Fenix price includes my VAT, and I mistakenly thought of 8 pounds as a percentage

Edited December 21, 2024 by taiyang

[Aglos77]

On 19/12/2024 at 21:27, CaptainQ8 said:

Actualmente estoy a punto de comprar. Me gusta la función Mel y la persistencia. 

Normalmente vuelo principalmente en Xplane con todos los aviones Toliss. No soy un piloto del mundo real, así que no tengo ni idea de si los aviones que utilizo en mi simulación vuelan realmente "como los de verdad". También soy plenamente consciente de que un simulador de escritorio nunca puede reproducir por completo la física real, pero tal vez un 98 % ;)….

En lo que respecta a la flota de Toliss, el Fenix (solo tengo el paquete básico A320) siempre me parece extraño. No puedo decir exactamente qué fue, pero cada vez que cambié a MSFS/Fenix tuve la sensación de que algo no iba bien. Los aviones Toliss tienen algo de "peso". Puede que se deba a que estoy acostumbrado a Toliss. ¿Quién sabe?

Espero que FSlabs pueda llenar ese vacío en MSFS. Vi muchas transmisiones de blackbox711. Él afirmó que el modelo de vuelo/vuelo manual es más realista. Especialmente durante el aterrizaje y el aterrizaje. ¿Dirías que esto es cierto o que son simplemente diferentes? Para mí, este sería un motivo principal de compra.

Even professional simulators costing millions do not fly like the real aircraft.

[Eby]

On 12/20/2024 at 12:35 AM, KatiePilot said:

It's interesting to read about FSL's systems depth being superior to Fenix.

They both have extremely high systems depth and fidelity, and I think people tend to forget how deep the Fenix simulation goes - That because it is so pretty, it must be "less good" when you start stress testing it, but having done that myself, I can confirm, it works as expected in the majority of situations, in fact I used it quite extensively when preparing for my command upgrade sims.

From my understanding, they have both been developed to simulate the physical wiring of the aircraft, and as a result are extremely good quality.

I genuinely can't tell any difference in accuracy of systems depth between the two, are there inaccuracies? Yes of course there are - but, they're pretty few and far between!

Now what really sticks out for me, is that the FSLabs of course has the MEL function which in my view is it's jewel in the crown and really makes you think before jumping in and going flying, the same way we have to IRL.

But purely in terms of systems depth and accuracy, and "doing what I expect it to do when I do something" - in my view they are very much on the same level.

I'm not going to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't buy. But, hopefully that gives you a little bit of context on the actual standard these two aircraft are at.

most objective comment so far, and what makes it even more valuable is that you are a real pilot. 

[sloppysmusic]

On 12/21/2024 at 6:40 PM, Aglos77 said:

Even professional simulators costing millions do not fly like the real aircraft.

Well yes but they at least TRY to. It's their design goal and target audience. They are not trying to cater for everyone and make as much money as possible. Invariably pro sims tend to look very basic out the window because that's the least important factor in learning flight. All you REALLY need gfx wise in a sim for pure learning is to see where the ground ends and the sky begins. They add extra detail when it does not compromise the simulator itself. 

[Ray Proudfoot]

On 12/21/2024 at 6:40 PM, Aglos77 said:

Even professional simulators costing millions do not fly like the real aircraft.

Are you a real pilot who has experienced both and can verify that? They must be extremely close in order to replicate situations such as the loss of both engines in the incident shown in the film “Sully”.