MSFS 2024 MSFS 2024 is improving but still so very annoying

[TacomaSailor]

I've been doing most of my flights in 2020 - clean crisp responsive reliable and bug free.

Today I tried 2024 again - everything was great and I had a decent FPS with the GPU at ~90% and main thread plus additional threads at a reasonable time.  Mostly high settings with LODs at 200 in VFR at 5000'.  

The scenery was not as clear and crisp as in 2020.  I was in the Cascade mountain range foothills and Mt Rainer looked a bit melted (global warming I suppose) and the other mountains were just a bit blurry and off color.  But, still quite attractive

Then suddenly, for no apparent reason, the FPS dropped to the low single digit, the GPU load went to 100%, and the network activity and rolling cache reads fell to almost zero.  One CPU was at 10%, the other 7 cpus were at less than 2%, and only one thread was running in the sim.  Nothing I did made the frame rate/hardware usage change.  

I restarted the flight (not the sim - just the flight) and the frame rate stayed abysmal.

I shut down the sim and restarted and all was good again.  That time I flew for 30-minutes before the sim went into slowdown mode.

OOKLA Speed Test showed my bandwidth to be 950Mb/sec and nothing else was running on the system.

How are we to enjoy what might be a great flight simulator if it won't run consistently and reliably?

This is after I tried flying the Pipistrel Virus SW121 - what a joke!  Exceeded Vne with engine at bottom of green arc.  Climbed at 3000 fps with engine at 50%.  Maintains 120kts at idle.  I landed at 65 kts/-500 fpm and it felt like a perfect greased landing.

I am frustrated.

Edited December 22, 2024 by TacomaSailor

[fppilot]

1 hour ago, TacomaSailor said:

I am frustrated.

Check out my recent post here titled "MSFS 2024 cannot return from flight to main menu".  Bet you will get a chuckle.  You might have to Google the movie mentioned.

 

[YukonPete]

1 hour ago, TacomaSailor said:

I've been doing most of my flights in 2020 - clean crisp responsive reliable and bug free.

Today I tried 2024 again - everything was great and I had a decent FPS with the GPU at ~90% and main thread plus additional threads at a reasonable time.  Mostly high settings with LODs at 200 in VFR at 5000'.  

The scenery was not as clear and crisp as in 2020.  I was in the Cascade mountain range foothills and Mt Rainer looked a bit melted (global warming I suppose) and the other mountains were just a bit blurry and off color.  But, still quite attractive

Then suddenly, for no apparent reason, the FPS dropped to the low single digit, the GPU load went to 100%, and the network activity and rolling cache reads fell to almost zero.  One CPU was at 10%, the other 7 cpus were at less than 2%, and only one thread was running in the sim.  Nothing I did made the frame rate/hardware usage change.  

I restarted the flight (not the sim - just the flight) and the frame rate stayed abysmal.

I shut down the sim and restarted and all was good again.  That time I flew for 30-minutes before the sim went into slowdown mode.

OOKLA Speed Test showed my bandwidth to be 950Mb/sec and nothing else was running on the system.

How are we to enjoy what might be a great flight simulator if it won't run consistently and reliably?

This is after I tried flying the Pipistrel Virus SW121 - what a joke!  Exceeded Vne with engine at bottom of green arc.  Climbed at 3000 fps with engine at 50%.  Maintains 120kts at idle.  I landed at 65 kts/-500 fpm and it felt like a perfect greased landing.

I am frustrated.

You do realize that MSFS2020 was in a much worse state than MSFS2024 at its release? We waited 6+ months back then for it to be usable.  In 2024, we already got an RJ, Fenix Airbuses, Ini Airbuses and the list keeps growing at rapid rate. I just don't understand we some of you think 2024 would launch without problems. It's never happened in FSim ever! Was I the only one who told myself it will be at least 6 months before 2024 matures?

[RobJC]

27 minutes ago, YukonPete said:

You do realize that MSFS2020 was in a much worse state than MSFS2024 at its release? We waited 6+ months back then for it to be usable.  In 2024, we already got an RJ, Fenix Airbuses, Ini Airbuses and the list keeps growing at rapid rate. I just don't understand we some of you think 2024 would launch without problems. It's never happened in FSim ever! Was I the only one who told myself it will be at least 6 months before 2024 matures?

You do realize that MSFS2024 is THE NEXT version of MSFS2020, right? All that hard work and free bug testing in MSFS2020 was supposed to mean something. Or not. 

[fppilot]

Just now, RobJC said:

You do realize that MSFS2024 is THE NEXT version of MSFS2020, right? All that hard work and free bug testing in MSFS2020 was supposed to mean something. Or not. 

Great Statement!

 

[usernamerequired]

30 minutes ago, YukonPete said:

You do realize that MSFS2020 was in a much worse state than MSFS2024 at its release? We waited 6+ months back then for it to be usable.  In 2024, we already got an RJ, Fenix Airbuses, Ini Airbuses and the list keeps growing at rapid rate. I just don't understand we some of you think 2024 would launch without problems. It's never happened in FSim ever! Was I the only one who told myself it will be at least 6 months before 2024 matures?

MSFS2020 was a one-off; a lot of people let the early issues slide because we hadn't seen a new sim since FSX. There’s absolutely zero excuse for MSFS2024. What they’ve released is worse than an alpha build. Half the people who spent $100+ can’t even fly for more than 10 minutes without encountering an issue. We were fed BS that MSFS2024 would be less demanding than MSFS2020, and well, here we are.

Microsoft is lucky they haven’t been slapped with a class action lawsuit for this release.

[usernamerequired]

3 minutes ago, RobJC said:

You do realize that MSFS2024 is THE NEXT version of MSFS2020, right? All that hard work and free bug testing in MSFS2020 was supposed to mean something. Or not. 

Exactly. MSFS fan boys need stop making up excuses for 2024. It's a half finished product that looks as bad as FSX in most scenarios. What excuse does the team have for releasing such a piece of junk when they had 4 years of experience with 2020?

[YukonPete]

1 hour ago, RobJC said:

You do realize that MSFS2024 is THE NEXT version of MSFS2020, right? All that hard work and free bug testing in MSFS2020 was supposed to mean something. Or not. 

You do realize that 2024 isn't 2020?

[YukonPete]

1 hour ago, usernamerequired said:

Exactly. MSFS fan boys need stop making up excuses for 2024. It's a half finished product that looks as bad as FSX in most scenarios. What excuse does the team have for releasing such a piece of junk when they had 4 years of experience with 2020?

How long have you been in this hobby? 5 minutes? Did you know MS abandoned FS for 13 years? Probably not. I am an MSFS word not allowed thanks for acknowledging that. I'm looking to use this platform for 5 years, not 5 min like you.

[MrBitstFlyer]

1 hour ago, usernamerequired said:

Exactly. MSFS fan boys need stop making up excuses for 2024.

Rather than making excuses, the feeling is to be patient and wait for the bugs to be ironed out.  It is already a very good sim. 2020 didn't have a great start either, but it turned out very good after the bugs were ironed out.  I assume you are still using 2020 - does this make you a 'word not allowed'?

Personally I expected early problems, but from day two onwards things have improved quickly.

1 hour ago, usernamerequired said:

It's a half finished product that looks as bad as FSX in most scenarios.

Thanks for the laugh!  Possibly the silliest thing I have read about 2024.

[usernamerequired]

14 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Rather than making excuses, the feeling is to be patient and wait for the bugs to be ironed out.  It is already a very good sim. 2020 didn't have a great start either, but it turned out very good after the bugs were ironed out.  I assume you are still using 2020 - does this make you a 'word not allowed'?

Personally I expected early problems, but from day two onwards things have improved quickly.

Thanks for the laugh!  Possibly the silliest thing I have read about 2024.

I fly jetliners, and my ground textures are a blurry mess hence why I said it often looks like FSX. There’s no excuse for a top end PC not being able to handle textures.

We also need to stop making excuses for 2024. Watch the numerous interviews with Jorg, where he promised that 2024 would have better performance than 2020 right out of the box and would be a game changer. We were never told we’d have to wait months, or possibly years, to achieve half decent performance.

[Bigmack]

1 hour ago, usernamerequired said:

Exactly. MSFS fan boys need stop making up excuses for 2024. It's a half finished product that looks as bad as FSX in most scenarios. What excuse does the team have for releasing such a piece of junk when they had 4 years of experience with 2020?

If you're comparing 2024 to FSX as far as looking as bad, then I request that you take a drug test. Everywhere I fly the scenery is crisp all the way down to the blade of grass that's blowing over when I get close to the ground. When 2020 was first released, it was impossible to TO from any airport and land without it turning into a major slide show. It has gotten much better over the course of time. When FSX was released, it brought everyone computers to their knees because computer technology hadn't caught up with it's intensive demand. It took about half dozen performance patches before it was a solid product. And all you perfectionists screamed I'm going back to FS2004, it runs and looks better than FSX. You claimed FSX was bugged, unusable and give me back my money. I would like you to release a product that works across thousands of different platforms that bug free.

[marcg11]

Tried again today to get keyboard and controller settings to mimic my 2020….somewhat successful but still much to be done.    The setup of flying is still so very different that it’s still not worth the effort.    And once I do get in the air the graphics are still underwhelming.   Felt I got a little closer but still don’t feel compelled at all to spend the hours needed on setup.

[RobJC]

2 hours ago, YukonPete said:

You do realize that 2024 isn't 2020?

It had crossed my mind. 

[History]

 

5 hours ago, TacomaSailor said:

I've been doing most of my flights in 2020 - clean crisp responsive reliable and bug free.

Today I tried 2024 again - everything was great and I had a decent FPS with the GPU at ~90% and main thread plus additional threads at a reasonable time.  Mostly high settings with LODs at 200 in VFR at 5000'.  

The scenery was not as clear and crisp as in 2020.  I was in the Cascade mountain range foothills and Mt Rainer looked a bit melted (global warming I suppose) and the other mountains were just a bit blurry and off color.  But, still quite attractive

Then suddenly, for no apparent reason, the FPS dropped to the low single digit, the GPU load went to 100%, and the network activity and rolling cache reads fell to almost zero.  One CPU was at 10%, the other 7 cpus were at less than 2%, and only one thread was running in the sim.  Nothing I did made the frame rate/hardware usage change.  

I restarted the flight (not the sim - just the flight) and the frame rate stayed abysmal.

I shut down the sim and restarted and all was good again.  That time I flew for 30-minutes before the sim went into slowdown mode.

OOKLA Speed Test showed my bandwidth to be 950Mb/sec and nothing else was running on the system.

How are we to enjoy what might be a great flight simulator if it won't run consistently and reliably?

This is after I tried flying the Pipistrel Virus SW121 - what a joke!  Exceeded Vne with engine at bottom of green arc.  Climbed at 3000 fps with engine at 50%.  Maintains 120kts at idle.  I landed at 65 kts/-500 fpm and it felt like a perfect greased landing.

I am frustrated.

If you wanna take a break from the fuss, it won't hurt to try Xplane 12 and relax a bit.