no taxiway/runway informations

[Dave-Pilot2ATC]

I was using 12.0.8 and 12.1.2 and got the same result.  No G gates and about 560+ gates altogether.

I do think there is a problem with the Gates import that the old ones are not being fully deleted.

I'll work on that for the next release.

Dave

[PerWel]

What database engine are you using. I know SQL as I worked on Sybase Inc Swedish office for 15 years as a developer so Sybase SQL Server I know inside and out. Last 6 years I worked with debugging SQL Server.
Advanced to middle team  between front end support and engineering.

[PerWel]

3 minutes ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

I was using 12.0.8 and 12.1.2 and got the same result.  No G gates and about 560+ gates altogether.

I do think there is a problem with the Gates import that the old ones are not being fully deleted.

I'll work on that for the next release.

Dave

Yes I also have plenty of new gates

[PerWel]

Can it be I miss some newer runtime libs when P2A V2 could clear everthing. No G gates

I have Win10 Pro

Edited January 10 by PerWel

[Dave-Pilot2ATC]

I'm 90% sure it's a bug in V3.  Should be fixed in next release.

Dave

[PerWel]

19 minutes ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

I'm 90% sure it's a bug in V3.  Should be fixed in next release.

Dave

Is it SQLite database you are using? Just curious

I used first Access then SQLite in a private project back -90, now I am retired.

[sq024]

On 1/9/2025 at 2:37 PM, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

Rob,

Try downloading the latest full version(0.0.29).  There was a problem with the Taxiway database on earlier version where many airports were missing.  The new one should work better.

Dave

Dave,

I did as you suggested but with limited effect. I tried to work out the logic behind the behaviour but no success. I made a backup of my existing version 0.0.29, uninstall it and installed the full version in a new directory.

Here are my observations, I hope they help you to figure out what is going on:

- After start of the program no taxi-data is shown for any airport in data management. I wonder if airport data is only available in data manager after you create/load a flight-plan, most of my testing is done without a flightplan.

- Importing taxiways with MakeRwys works most of the time but sometimes only the runways are shown.

- Importing and saving taxiways creates a DataICAO.txl (i.e. DataRJAA) file in the root-directory of 1kb with only header-information except when you mark the "Override User Modified Airports" option. Then it creates a file of up to 6MB for large airports. After restarting P2A in data management it shows the taxiways of the just imported airport but not for airports I imported the day before.

- Loading a saved airport works most of the time but sometimes it only loads runways or taxiways without runways. I suspect that this is more a display problem because saving the airport again creates a txl-file with the same content as loaded.

- There is a Data\P2ABackups folder in the root-directory where only glx-files are stored. In V2 it also contains txl-files.

 

There are 2 options left that I can try:

1. Use Data Updater to migrate my V2 P2ABaseData.mdf into V3, I did that a few months ago to get my V2 modified and saved airports in V3.

2. I can use Data Manager to import all airports from MakeRwys-files but but prefer not to do that because I have 150 add-on airports that I fly from/to and don't need the rest of the 46K-airports of MSFS in my system.

 

Regards,

Rob

 

 

Edited January 15 by sq024

[Dave-Pilot2ATC]

When you install the full version, it wipes out the P2ABaseData.db file and replaces it with the default one.

Since you have airports from V2 that you want to keep, your #1 option is the way to go.  Just set the Source file to your V2 P2ABaseData.mdf file and the Target file to your V3 P2ABaseData.db file.  That should get you back with all your V2 airports.

Dave

[sq024]

On 1/15/2025 at 3:52 PM, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

When you install the full version, it wipes out the P2ABaseData.db file and replaces it with the default one.

Since you have airports from V2 that you want to keep, your #1 option is the way to go.  Just set the Source file to your V2 P2ABaseData.mdf file and the Target file to your V3 P2ABaseData.db file.  That should get you back with all your V2 airports.

Dave

Dave,

Some feedback on my progress. Did a data migration of my P2ABaseData.mdf file and update to version 0.0.30.n

Pros:

- save, load and import of taxiways works fine.

- taxiways are used in the taxi-instructions

Neg:

- import of gates is broken, nothing is imported at least is not shown on the map or saved. Loading of gates that were saved in the previous version works fine.

- not all taxiways/runways are shown on the map in data management after loading. They do exist in the database because they are used in taxi-instructions, so I assume it's a display problem (maybe just on my system)

- imported data is often too complex for P2A to workout a taxi-route especially on major airports so there is a need for maintaining taxi-data and gates.

- maintaining data is nearly impossible in data management. Most options in the context-menu (right mouse-click) don't work (delete, add gate, add taxi-way etc).

- dragging objects to the correct position have a very slow response in the display. Might be related to the previous mentioned display problem.

 

I have an issue when manual creating airways in flightplans but will make a seperate post for that.

 

Regards,

Rob

 

Edited January 24 by sq024

[Dave-Pilot2ATC]

The manual editing of taxiways and gates is not complete in the Early Access version.  If you have version 2, you can do any maintenance in V2 and then Convert the P2A_BaseData file to the V3 format.

Generally, importing of Gates should work, depending on what your source is.  I know importing direct from X-Plane works correctly as does importing from a properly run MakeRunways output from the other SIMs.  Of course, you will get the Gates from the SIM which don't always line up with real world gates.

Dave

[sq024]

I'm using MSFS2020. MakeRunways I always used for V2. Let's leaf the data management for later, I have a workaround.

 

Rob

[eafb]

On 1/9/2025 at 10:33 AM, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

I just tried importing from LFML from XP12 and it worked.

Double check that your Import Source is pointing to the X-Plane root folder, like C:\X-Plane 12 if you have it installed on the C drive root.

Dave 

I just purchased V3 yesterday—great improvement for X-Plane! Since I use X-Plane on Linux, I run Pilot2ATC on a remote PC. With V3, as I understand it, XPUIPC is no longer required (which is great, since it doesn’t support Linux). That’s a game changer.

That said, I have a few questions I couldn’t find answers to in the manual—or perhaps I was looking in the wrong place. Specifically:
How can I import airport taxiway information from X-Plane 12? Is there a specific PDF or documentation in V3 that explains this procedure?

 

[Dave-Pilot2ATC]

The completed User's Guide is not quite done yet.  But here's how to do it.

You use the DataMgr Utility located on the Utilities tab of Settings.

On the Taxi tab, press the Import button.  Select the import source type and set the folder location.  For X-Plane, it's the root folder.  For other SIMs, it's the folder where the MakeRunways output is located.

You can import one airport at a time, or all airports.  To import all airports, check that option before pressing the Import button.

You can view the taxiways by pressing the Show Taxi Paths button.  The taxi path editing doesn't work yet.  

If you have edited taxiways in V2, you can bring them across to V3 by doing a manual conversion of the P2ABaseData.mdf file from V2.  On the Data Updater tab of the Data Mgr, set the Source File to the P2ABaseData.mdf file from V2 and the Target File to the P2ABaseData.db file in the V3 data folder.  Press Start and the file should get converted.  

Dave

[eafb]

4 hours ago, Dave-Pilot2ATC said:

The completed User's Guide is not quite done yet.  But here's how to do it.

You use the DataMgr Utility located on the Utilities tab of Settings.

On the Taxi tab, press the Import button.  Select the import source type and set the folder location.  For X-Plane, it's the root folder.  For other SIMs, it's the folder where the MakeRunways output is located.

You can import one airport at a time, or all airports.  To import all airports, check that option before pressing the Import button.

You can view the taxiways by pressing the Show Taxi Paths button.  The taxi path editing doesn't work yet.  

If you have edited taxiways in V2, you can bring them across to V3 by doing a manual conversion of the P2ABaseData.mdf file from V2.  On the Data Updater tab of the Data Mgr, set the Source File to the P2ABaseData.mdf file from V2 and the Target File to the P2ABaseData.db file in the V3 data folder.  Press Start and the file should get converted.  

Dave

Thanks, I found it! Taxiways and gates are now updated - appreciate it a lot!